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kurtcagle

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52. Why paranoia IS warranted
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:43 PM
Jan 2017

Trump just scored the Trifecta - complete control of all three branches of government. There are quite literally no checks on him.

Those states under Republican control will move to secure that control (purge lists will become not only more commonplace, but will start targeting anyone who is not a Christian and ultimately anyone who has been actively vocal about the direction of government). You will see Republican states than have implemented referendum processes repeal them. They made that mistake under Bush II, thinking that they had time before there was enough of a backlash; they are already moving now not to repeat that mistake.

Trump has moved aggressively to purge the intelligence services and the state department, and he will attempt to do the same thing with the military, because they CAN move against him - it's extraconstitutional, but there are contingency plans in place. Once this happens, yes, Trump CAN do anything he wants.

Will he? The man moved his base of operation from Washington DC to New York. He is dismantling the existing bureaucracy, replacing those people with are loyal only to him, regardless of how corrupt they are otherwise. He is using the bully pulpit to threaten companies and has promised more "rallies" with his followers that are beginning to look a whole lot like German brownshirts in the early 1930s. He knows he has no legitimacy, so is doing everything he can to make it impossible to remove him.

America works only if there are checks and balances. It's one reason that divided governments are the norm - too much concentrated power CAN break the system. The longer that he is in power, the more he becomes entrenched, the more extreme the behavior that he can display.

It is also worth remembering that while most progressives see conservatives as annoyances - people who aren't very bright or compassionate but that ultimately can be negotiated with - a great number of those conservatives see LIEBERALs as being the ENEMY, people who are out to get them, who ultimately should be shot because they don't believe the right way. This may not be a rational view, but it is a widely held one, and those people are now in control of the government.

So, yes, I think that there is a great deal of cause for alarm and action. What I fear most is that the forms of a democracy - its elections - will end up appearing to remain intact, but control of the results will no longer be.

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He appears to be leaving the Nat Guard without leadership for the march 1/21 bettyellen Jan 2017 #1
Hoping for enough chaos to discredit the demonstrators? guillaumeb Jan 2017 #6
No. He appears to be having the second in command be in charge on 1/21 onenote Jan 2017 #10
thanks! (nt) billymike Jan 2017 #11
So without confident and stable leadership... I stand corrected. bettyellen Jan 2017 #12
And what makes you so certain that the folks in that list aren't "confident and stable" onenote Jan 2017 #18
It's serious when so many well respected heads are on the chopping block... bettyellen Jan 2017 #42
Very few political appointees stay over onenote Jan 2017 #62
That and leaving a shit ton of jobs unfilled or staffed with incompetents.... bettyellen Jan 2017 #65
All I can say is, we'll see. ananda Jan 2017 #57
They - and the rest of the GOP - are trying to erase any sign Obama was ever President. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #70
You must be reading a different forum... angstlessk Jan 2017 #2
I understand that anxiety can make everything look much worse than it really is. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #3
Dear onenote MFM008 Jan 2017 #4
Let's talk in two years, and then we'll decide who was being paranoid today. Squinch Jan 2017 #5
I'd say you're right if it was anybody but Trump... cynatnite Jan 2017 #7
the terrible truth is that we don't know what will develop billymike Jan 2017 #8
People are reacting to fear of the unknown. madaboutharry Jan 2017 #9
I'm not saying he won't try to curtail our rights and freedoms. I'm pointing out specific claims onenote Jan 2017 #13
You seem very casual about his trying to curtail our rights & freedoms! Demit Jan 2017 #20
I'm anything but casual about it. onenote Jan 2017 #26
The biggest argument against martial law is it would roil the markets. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #14
"The rest of the world would think we lost our collective minds...." mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #81
I am incredulous, disgusted, disturbed etherealtruth Jan 2017 #15
Well said.... vi5 Jan 2017 #16
Bush, McCain, and Romney all paid lip service to democratic norms and the rule of law. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #24
I agree completely... vi5 Jan 2017 #39
I never said they were fascists and I dismissed talk of them acting as such as nonsense. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #41
He is indeed... vi5 Jan 2017 #60
I thought it was crazy talk. Trump is unhinged and has fascist tendencies. He is a unique threat. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #61
Well Bush and Cheney did start illegal wars and torture people Generator Jan 2017 #53
And never in my life I thought I would see the HEAD of the FBI DK504 Jan 2017 #17
Just because you're dgibby Jan 2017 #19
True. But just because Trump will try to roll back our rights doesn't mean he's going to declare onenote Jan 2017 #23
Only the Publicans are allowed hyperbole. marybourg Jan 2017 #21
Maybe if we had more outrage instead of less Generator Jan 2017 #55
We're in rough waters here, don't scold people for getting seasick. SecularMotion Jan 2017 #22
+1 n/t blue cat Jan 2017 #30
I remember this post in the days leading up to the election moda253 Jan 2017 #25
Again, you've missed the point. onenote Jan 2017 #27
What exactly do you think will happen if we posit that he will declare martial law and he doesn't? Squinch Jan 2017 #48
Some people can be quite calm with creeping authoritarianism lunatica Jan 2017 #28
And that's actually my concern. onenote Jan 2017 #29
Well criticizing people sure won't get them to listen to you when lunatica Jan 2017 #31
We absolutely should be talking about -- shouting about -- what he's doing onenote Jan 2017 #35
How about conspiring with Russians to steal the election? Would it have been OK for us to Squinch Jan 2017 #50
Fear can block rational thought and coordinated action. (nt) billymike Jan 2017 #54
It is your opinion that none of those things will happen Sanity Claws Jan 2017 #32
I actually don't think Trump, himself, is the end of the world. joshcryer Jan 2017 #33
I've been on many right wing forums in recent years Jeroen Jan 2017 #34
All that's true. Now a simple question for you: onenote Jan 2017 #36
What if there is a terrorist attack? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #38
Bush didn't treestar Jan 2017 #44
Bush isn't Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #46
Yeah whoever thought we would treestar Jan 2017 #49
Bush didn't have announced authoritarian intentions DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #51
Let's hope not LittleBlue Jan 2017 #67
No, I don't Jeroen Jan 2017 #40
Is there even a legal ground on which a President can do treestar Jan 2017 #43
Researching this treestar Jan 2017 #47
The Supreme Court on martial law. onenote Jan 2017 #63
In modern times, it seems impossible to happen treestar Jan 2017 #75
Two points DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #74
Yes, as long as there is no actual treestar Jan 2017 #76
I agree lunatica Jan 2017 #37
Trump wouldn't be such a problem if the US wasn't so fractured and polarized Jeroen Jan 2017 #45
Why paranoia IS warranted kurtcagle Jan 2017 #52
Excellent post and weclome to DU Generator Jan 2017 #56
This SHOULD be an OP- welcome to DU! bettyellen Jan 2017 #66
op worthy!!!! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #68
Excellent post & very true: Everything you said is right & fear is certainly warranted Alekzander Jan 2017 #73
He can't control the courts that well treestar Jan 2017 #77
Neh, those lacking critical thinking to misinterpret are not likely to care about our credibility. UTUSN Jan 2017 #58
We just don't know. HassleCat Jan 2017 #59
You *do* realize the next 4 years are going to be a fricken' disater, don't you? baldguy Jan 2017 #64
The truth is that you don't KNOW what is or isn't going to happen. Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #69
I can't help but find any credibility argument adorable. herding cats Jan 2017 #71
I feel bad for those who still have hope. You still have room to fall. briv1016 Jan 2017 #72
They said the same things about President Obama. Lint Head Jan 2017 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Jan 2017 #79
So, what are you suggesting, exactly, that we do? MineralMan Jan 2017 #80
We will never have to worry about martial law or camps because there is no way in the world A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2017 #82
Why I am afraid: OldEurope Jan 2017 #83
We changed horses during Vietnam n/t radical noodle Jan 2017 #86
Recommended. H2O Man Jan 2017 #84
1. Trump is unhinged and capable of ANYTHING! 2. Those who are still Trump lovers/supporters cornball 24 Jan 2017 #85
Even worse are those radical noodle Jan 2017 #87
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