Do you ask for anything in return for your vote ??

[TheKentuckian]

28. You know I'm no cheerleader but you are edging toward blaming the final check

for system wide failures.

Should he veto extensions? Yes. Should he be getting extensions to sign? No. Since the bottom 40% have been especially ruthlessly fucked with no lube, should they be protected from any additions, knowing they have no fat to spare and the top 20% is rotund? Yup. Should the people (Democrats included nowadays) effectively refuse reasonable taxation, which actually provides popular pressure to keep the scam going? No, but that is the reality. Nobody wants to give up their Bush/Obama tax cuts, some are OK with people that make more than them losing theirs but their own.

I think we've been fucked on this one the whole way as soon as Obama plugged on through with the 250K line and nothing about capital gains. The entire tact shows a sham, with no serious intent in restoring reasonable revenues but political posturing.

I feel you a 100% but we can't let everyone else down the line off the hook either or we will find ourselves in the whack a mole game of personality and lose functional perspective on our problems falling to the level of the blissful ignorance of our less sharp cousins, that if we could find the right person that the rotten barrel of apples will be good again and be right back in the thought prison the predator class wants us in.

Barack Obama is part of the problem but he isn't the problem, it has been growing before anybody knew who he was. You also must be a willing part of the problem to be "viable", the system will reject any who is not a part of it which is why about the only way anything moves is when one of the born into the club beats them back a hair.
They are watching the Clintons, Obamas, and even the Nixons of the world and weed the children of the poor and middle class out if they don't play ball.

Kentuck, I wonder if we don't have a Sodom and Gomorrah scenario at work. As the government is currently set up, are there even ten major politicians out of say 535 Federal legislators, 50 Governors, and hell just for fun say the top 50 Mayors that you are certain if you switched them places that they would veto the extensions?

I'm not sure there are and it is deeply troubling. Shit, some days it seems like you'd be hard pressed to find 10 people on DU that would sunset all of them. I would, even though I do think it is a bad idea to add anymore to the plate of lower earners, especially if they also will have to contend with a 10% insurance bite if the Wealthcare and Profit Protection Act holds up because I know that the present situation actually precludes any relief for the poor and working class without give aways to the rich because TeaPubliKlans are being given the cover of voting against "raising anyone's taxes", only when that leg is kicked away can any pressure be brought on individual segments.

Our "leaders" play into their strategy because they do not want to get rid of the cuts either. The only way to specific relief is to break up the cuts and the only way to do that is to let them all sunset and then come back with the specific relief, when the cover is gone and the option of pretending that "I voted against raising anyone's taxes" is off the table.
No doubt someone will be along talking about how the TeaPubliKlans refused to give "middle class relief" but they are confused because what the TeaPubliKlan will say loud and proud is they refused to raise ANYONE'S taxes and that will actually be a rare truth crossing their lips, with tax rates restored that argument can not be made and odds are many would be herded into voting for any tax cuts that come their way.

Anyway, my intent is not to absolve Obama by any stretch but to maintain the perspective on the true nature and scope of the problem. It is way beyond swapping him out, particularly for about any of the next several hundred most likely replacements and even the very rare person of quality and toughness would be at eternal war with the rest of the masses of dickheads they somehow slipped by.