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Behind the Aegis

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87. Vastly different.
Fri Jan 20, 2017, 01:39 AM
Jan 2017

I grew up in the South. My father was military, so I grew up all over. Also, my father was a lay rabbi, as many places we went had no rabbi. I have had my life threatened because I was a Jew on a number of occasions, not to mention the number of times I have endured anti-Semitic rhetoric, stupidity, and hate. Also, "Dem presidents" have, in fact, carried Southern states.

You are correct in that anti-Semitism isn't just a scourge of the right, it is a problem on the left too. As for stereotypes, there is no such thing as a truly "positive" stereotype. The use of "positive" stereotypes is not a compliment and, generally, those who use them will also be hiding a few negative ones too. While my personal experience is different from you, I am willing to assert I may also have an educational edge. I studied anti-Semitism for years, still do on occasion. It was part of my master's degree, along with general diversity training and specializing in LGBT issues, too.

I didn't say, nor imply, Seinfeld and Israel were "meaningless", I think, however, you are assigning value to them which is misplaced. I know plenty of people who enjoy Jazz and rap, but hate black people. I know scads of people who are married to women, but are raging sexists. I have encountered more than few people who enjoy "gay" things, but don't like gay people and think "gay" marriage is an abomination (some in our own party). So, to claim that people's "love" for Israel and Seinfeld is some sort of predictor of philosemitism is misleading.

Also, the US is not the least anti-Semitic country in the world. Not according to recent surveys done by the ADL. Shockingly, in an updated survey of several countries, it appears anti-Semitism has risen and in the US, by a percentage point, to 10%. More: http://global100.adl.org/

Should Franken choose to run, anti-Semitism will be an issue. How big will it be? I am not completely certain, but I would guess it will play more of a part than it does in campaigns against those who aren't Jews, and, sadly, that will also include those on the left and democrats.

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Man he is on a lot of committees underpants Jan 2017 #1
I disagree Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #2
His wit would really provoke Trump andym Jan 2017 #71
Wouldn't anybody?! haha InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #77
I have old sweaters that would make for better presidents than Charles Bukowski Jan 2017 #80
He should run BeyondGeography Jan 2017 #3
You forgot about Bonzo's daddy! Greybnk48 Jan 2017 #4
He'll have my full support in 2020, if the opportunity presents itself. Paladin Jan 2017 #5
I was just thinking as I was listening to him speak/question Price Tripper11 Jan 2017 #6
The right has successfully vilified Warren too much MrPurple Jan 2017 #12
Turnout vs Republican behavior VoicesAcrossAmerica Jan 2017 #72
Franken's a deadhead, too. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #22
I wonder if we're ready for him- we should be after this clown Trump where anything goes... bettyellen Jan 2017 #7
He'd be 69 loyalsister Jan 2017 #8
Averages can be deceiving. colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #32
Nevertheless loyalsister Jan 2017 #54
70 is the new 60 MrPurple Jan 2017 #33
Measurable difference loyalsister Jan 2017 #58
The average age of 76 is from birth TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #52
We would be ridiculously stupid loyalsister Jan 2017 #56
I don't agree TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #60
Are you going to claim that age had absolutely zero effect? loyalsister Jan 2017 #64
Did I say zero? TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #65
How do you know they'll nominate a younger candidate? BlueStater Jan 2017 #59
There was no measurable age difference between W and either of his opponents loyalsister Jan 2017 #62
One more thing: colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #75
What good is it if a person is low on energy? loyalsister Jan 2017 #79
Martin Scorsese & Bernie Sanders aren't low on energy MrPurple Jan 2017 #83
And you know this how? loyalsister Jan 2017 #86
I'd vote for him. ananda Jan 2017 #9
He is likeable and seems like a very knowledgeable and astute person... demmiblue Jan 2017 #10
Like to see him do that on the senate floor during a filibuster. longship Jan 2017 #66
I wouldn't have said he was ready... Orsino Jan 2017 #11
Obama was supposed to not be "ready", and he did a great job. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #21
By 2020, he'll have served in the Senate 11 years MrPurple Jan 2017 #41
Why don't we all stop focusing on the lead actor for the party malaise Jan 2017 #13
We can do both. We need visible leaders to make the case & Franken's among the best MrPurple Jan 2017 #14
Whoever runs the more charismatic candidate NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #16
Agree, this usually outweighs everything MrPurple Jan 2017 #31
Looking back I wish Hillary had won in 2008 picked Obama as her VP kimbutgar Jan 2017 #51
I'm not sure that she would've won in 2008. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #61
You need visible leaders who believe in something malaise Jan 2017 #17
I found his top seven issues in 14 seconds. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #23
Al Franken who is way ahead of many intellectually and in terms of his media skills n/t malaise Jan 2017 #63
I agree. Behind the Aegis Jan 2017 #15
Yes, our side is not immune to anti-Semitism (saw that during the primaries). demmiblue Jan 2017 #57
Almost always admitted begrudgingly. n/t Behind the Aegis Jan 2017 #70
I love Al, but I'm not sure he'd resonate with the rest of the country. progressoid Jan 2017 #18
He's already written the book ProfessorPlum Jan 2017 #19
my first choice grantcart Jan 2017 #20
Oh like a former reality TV personality? IronLionZion Jan 2017 #24
The fact that he doesn't seem to aspire to being President makes him even stronger MrPurple Jan 2017 #43
I love him. He's brilliant! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #25
I don't think the anti-semitism would lose votes MrPurple Jan 2017 #29
Hmmmm....good points BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #35
Don't be so certain. Behind the Aegis Jan 2017 #47
Just saying it would be a lesser factor than race/sex & mostly regional MrPurple Jan 2017 #81
But a factor nonetheless. Behind the Aegis Jan 2017 #82
We've probably had different experiences MrPurple Jan 2017 #85
Vastly different. Behind the Aegis Jan 2017 #87
Awesome Zoonart Jan 2017 #26
Awwwww! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #37
Now he's the kind of star that the Democrats need right now! Initech Jan 2017 #27
Me too!!!! Totally! BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #39
Unknown Al Franken Fact: He's a quick-draw champion. Seriously. With a gun. byronius Jan 2017 #28
He can also quick draw HarmonyRockets Jan 2017 #67
Great idea! BadgerMom Jan 2017 #30
AGREE matelize Jan 2017 #34
He would be a very good candidate. Thoughtful, learned, concerned, a true progressive. Akamai Jan 2017 #36
I was actually thinking the same thing earlier today. Nonhlanhla Jan 2017 #38
Don't worry about his speaking ability, murielm99 Jan 2017 #40
Plus, he's musically literate. TransitJohn Jan 2017 #42
He also has a degree in political science from Harvard. GoCubsGo Jan 2017 #44
Franken willl cough wrong, RT will make up some bullshit meme and LPC DU members will repeat it ofte uponit7771 Jan 2017 #45
Franken-Stein 2020 shelshaw Jan 2017 #46
I like him kenfrequed Jan 2017 #48
I do not think he has any interest in being president Angry Dragon Jan 2017 #49
Hell yeah! kentuck Jan 2017 #50
A RWNJ once snapped at me "Al Franken!??!" BobTheSubgenius Jan 2017 #53
He'd be fun to watch. He has the chops to debate and fight. He isn't *percieved* dionysus Jan 2017 #55
Well, the RNC has established that a reality tv host and a con man can win, so why not a comedian. AtheistCrusader Jan 2017 #68
Anyone that holds an annual Hotdish competition has my vote nadine_mn Jan 2017 #69
Does anyone remember the old SNL political sketch with pressbox69 Jan 2017 #73
He reminds me of Ted Kennedy. He would make a great candidate applegrove Jan 2017 #74
Compared to Trump, even I could be a better president DFW Jan 2017 #76
He'd be wonderful, but I don't get any sense that he PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2017 #78
I thought the very same thing yesterday AwakeAtLast Jan 2017 #84
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