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socialist_n_TN

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25. There's a principle of most communist groups .....
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 01:29 PM
Dec 2011

called "democratic centralism". I'm sure you're familiar with it Jack, but for those who aren't, in a nutshell, it means that the members of the vanguard party engage in THOROUGH debate over principles for as long as it takes to decide an issue by a majority vote. THEN after the issue is decided, the members support the position that was debated on and passed by a majority vote. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE ISSUE IS NECESSARILY OVER. It can always be brought up again at the next meeting. The minority opposition ALWAYS has the freedom and resources necessary to bring it to the table again. At least that's the way it is SUPPOSED to work. This means that the vanguard is NOT a rubber stamp for a single leader, but is the true representative of the working class. The ideas bubble up from the bottom and the vanguard helps to implement them.

In bureaucratic centralism (of a Stalinist model), the bureaucracy decides FOR the party and debate and disagreement can be cut off and even punished. IOW, bureaucratic centralism is a top down model. Democratic centralism is bottom up. The "democratic" part shares a lot with anarchists. But both are needed. Without the dicipline of the "centralism" nothing will get done, not the least of which would be defending a revolution from a capitalist counterattack. The democratic part would confine positions to those agreed upon by the majority of the working class and COULD BE CHANGED AT ANY TIME THE MAJORITY CHANGED IT'S MIND.

I also see where this part could work even better today than in the past because of the ease of communication in today's wired in world.

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then "I welcome their hatred" now "bipartisan" nt msongs Dec 2011 #1
So what is our WWII? cthulu2016 Dec 2011 #2
The climate/energy crisis. Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #3
yep now we just need to convince our "leaders" limpyhobbler Dec 2011 #6
God bless you for saying that! n/t Betty Karlson Dec 2011 #9
Imagine. tk2kewl Dec 2011 #10
A simple and esquisite solution .. 99Forever Dec 2011 #17
Totally agree. If we do not start with that 21st infrastructure we are going to be in deep trouble. jwirr Dec 2011 #19
Do you know Dorthea Lange's photograph project Vanje Dec 2011 #4
Occupy 2012! n/t unionworks Dec 2011 #5
those who cannot remember the past getdown Dec 2011 #7
Precisely Sherman A1 Dec 2011 #8
True. But for how long was it "fixed"?...... socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #11
That option may not even exist Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #12
Agree. It's become a life and death struggle for the entire socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #23
Except the "fix" did work and didn't wear off lunatica Dec 2011 #15
Nope not different. That's what capitalism DOES... socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #22
think that the fundamental problem lies in a realm beyond Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #24
There's a principle of most communist groups ..... socialist_n_TN Dec 2011 #25
And now we gotta fix it again.....but the fix never really takes. blindpig Dec 2011 #13
the fix is in getdown Dec 2011 #14
The fix took. That's why it was systematically dismantled over 30 years. lunatica Dec 2011 #16
That definition of insanity.... blindpig Dec 2011 #18
So I Guess We Gotta Fix Capitalism... The Same Way You Fix A Dog... WillyT Dec 2011 #20
We need to rebuild our infrastructure, roads, bridges, dams..renewable energy etc rustydog Dec 2011 #21
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