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Jim Beard

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134. When did the greens do anything for us except draw away votes........

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 20, 2017, 11:20 PM

Jan 2017

Thats all they can do in Europe. They haven't out right won an election.

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The Co-Chair of the Womens March actively campaigned against Hillary Clinton [View all] oberliner Jan 2017 OP

This is awful!!! nt LAS14 Jan 2017 #1

Consider signing this petition oberliner Jan 2017 #12

I did. Thanks. LAS14 Jan 2017 #30

Done! mcar Jan 2017 #48

Signed!! N/T radical noodle Jan 2017 #72

Signed! Cha Jan 2017 #200

Agreed scscholar Jan 2017 #33

What is with some of these Sanders supporters? Let the Hillary hate go already brush Jan 2017 #180

Welcome to the world of coalition-based, independent movements Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #2

Some folks are pissed about them leaving HRC off their list of honorees oberliner Jan 2017 #4

That's all well and good but this is an independent movement Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #13

None of their honorees are partisans? oberliner Jan 2017 #16

Fair enough, I missed that. Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #26

This doesn't sound independent to me at all. yardwork Jan 2017 #37

Not ALL the organizers. Many are strong Hillary supporters. It's a diverse group. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #147

Well, it's troubling to me that at least one national co-chair helped Trump win. yardwork Jan 2017 #148

All the people who oppose DT need to work together now, no matter pnwmom Jan 2017 #149

Does the co-chair oppose Trump? It's not clear to me that she does. yardwork Jan 2017 #150

She is not "the co-chair" -- she is one of four. pnwmom Jan 2017 #160

By campaigning against Charles Bukowski Jan 2017 #174

I see no indication that she campaigned against Hillary in the general. pnwmom Jan 2017 #175

Are you saying that the OP is incorrect? yardwork Jan 2017 #178

I'm saying I did a google search and couldn't come up with a link. pnwmom Jan 2017 #188

That's a direct quote encouraging people to vote against Hillary. yardwork Jan 2017 #193

The first sentence is a quote from HRC's 1995 speech in Beijing. Yet they don't credit her emulatorloo Jan 2017 #40

"We believe that Womens Rights are Human Rights and Human Rights are Womens Rights." Cha Jan 2017 #199

Clinton wasn't the first to use that phrase Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #220

So? It came to prominence as the name of a speech given by Hillary Clinton, the First Lady of the Cha Jan 2017 #223

There are other partisan political folks on the list as well, such as Bella Abzug and Barbara Jordan oberliner Jan 2017 #58

For The Democrats to win, Jim Beard Jan 2017 #129

The Greens definitely count when it comes to partisanship. They are Republican stooges. DanTex Jan 2017 #202

Sorry for them but I am very partisan. Jim Beard Jan 2017 #125

That's stupid, divisive and all kinds of wrong. But it shouldn't deter anyone The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #3

Agreed oberliner Jan 2017 #5

She's just the one person who organized it and can choose to add Hillary's name. I'm not going. kcr Jan 2017 #52

This is why Democrats lose elections they should win. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #65

One can say that snubbing Hillary is why Democrats lose elections they should win oberliner Jan 2017 #69

Exactly. yardwork Jan 2017 #73

Snubbing Hillary regarding this march is stupid, but The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2017 #75

That's not what the purpose of the march is oberliner Jan 2017 #85

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She is the reason we lose. She actively campaigned against Hillary in the general for fuck's sake. kcr Jan 2017 #80

I agree completely. yardwork Jan 2017 #83

So we should just pick one primary candidate and then all vote for them? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #132

Apparently she campaigned against Clinton in the general. deurbano Jan 2017 #170

"and working together toward a goal" - Cut your nose off to spite your face keithbvadu2 Jan 2017 #115

When did the greens do anything for us except draw away votes........ Jim Beard Jan 2017 #134

Not true. She's one of four co-chairs. And it's also not true that she worked pnwmom Jan 2017 #190

That is a direct quote of her working against Hillary in the GE. yardwork Jan 2017 #194

No, it's a recognition of the critical role of the swing states. pnwmom Jan 2017 #198

Nobody thought Pennsylvania or Michigan were swing states. yardwork Jan 2017 #213

She lost by 80,000 in 3 states, including the swing states of PA and MI. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #214

That is exactly my point. yardwork Jan 2017 #215

No, it isn't. Those states are traditional swing states and she was NOT saying pnwmom Jan 2017 #217

I disagree. Once the false narrative is out there it can't be controlled. yardwork Jan 2017 #218

The cause of the march is bigger than Hillary or a petty organizer. killbotfactory Jan 2017 #6

That is true oberliner Jan 2017 #8

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #7

That makes no sense oberliner Jan 2017 #10

So now Bernie Sanders supporters are deplorable?! Arazi Jan 2017 #9

Bernie Sanders supporters are not deplorable oberliner Jan 2017 #11

Same fucking thing. It's stupid Arazi Jan 2017 #15

No, it's not oberliner Jan 2017 #19

I agree that it is petty and divisive of the organizers to disrespect Hillary this way. yardwork Jan 2017 #22

Why don't they have her speak? Does anybody know if she is attending?? hollowdweller Jan 2017 #122

I find it hard to believe she hasn't heard about it Bettie Jan 2017 #183

NO it is not the same. Cha Jan 2017 #34

How is it the same fucking thing? kcr Jan 2017 #60

She actually got off her butt and organized! Did you? Arazi Jan 2017 #71

She did not initiate it oberliner Jan 2017 #91

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #98

What a hateful and divisive thing to say oberliner Jan 2017 #101

No we lose because we get caught.up in this petty bullshit Arazi Jan 2017 #105

I exhort everyone to march oberliner Jan 2017 #107

Agreed 100% Arazi Jan 2017 #109

Glad we can find common ground oberliner Jan 2017 #114

No one is saying Not to March.. it was petty to leave Hillary name Cha Jan 2017 #197

The "divisive shit" was leaving Hillary's name off the list. lapucelle Jan 2017 #89

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #94

It should oberliner Jan 2017 #97

Nobody here gives a shit @ them tho. This is Manufactured Outrage (tm) Arazi Jan 2017 #100

Well, the passion for Hillary is more immediate and current oberliner Jan 2017 #103

Manufactured outrage , my ass. apcalc Jan 2017 #204

Divisive is not putting Hillary's name on the list of Honorees.. Cha Jan 2017 #208

Exactly. The false equivalencies have to stop. yardwork Jan 2017 #216

They're all over the place.. permeating the board. Cha Jan 2017 #222

You wanna know what pisses me off? lapucelle Jan 2017 #110

If it is a womans movement, why not? If you run out of ink writing those few names, Jim Beard Jan 2017 #139

Likewise, the march is about us, not Clinton. Beartracks Jan 2017 #155

My name's not there either. OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #192

Thanks so much Arazi, for calling something important to us apcalc Jan 2017 #203

Stop shoving words in people's mouths. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #55

Yeah, I'm furious Rosa Parks name isn't on that list!!11! Arazi Jan 2017 #76

Seems strange to have left her off the list as well oberliner Jan 2017 #96

It's an odd list, given the ommissions. They shouldn't have included the list imo. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #221

I'm annoyed Sarsour used a HRC quote as their guiding principle but wont't credit it emulatorloo Jan 2017 #119

Yes. deurbano Jan 2017 #173

No, but any Bernie supporter, like I was, am elmac Jan 2017 #108

I dont fucking care one bit. Are you with us against the orange monster now? Arazi Jan 2017 #113

Hey, I don't care if she is a deplorable elmac Jan 2017 #128

this sounds like an effort KT2000 Jan 2017 #14

I don't think so oberliner Jan 2017 #20

especially the timing of it. FSogol Jan 2017 #86

It really does. hollowdweller Jan 2017 #126

Several are obvious trolls RandiFan1290 Jan 2017 #196

That's very disappointing. How petty of the organizers. yardwork Jan 2017 #17

Have you signed the petition? oberliner Jan 2017 #23

Done. Thank you for the link and this thread. yardwork Jan 2017 #24

I signed it. LisaM Jan 2017 #32

Signed! Mahalo for this convenient way to sign, oberliner! Cha Jan 2017 #35

If people are just figuring this out today, they didn't do their homework Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #31

I found out yesterday.. we find out when we find out. Cha Jan 2017 #36

+1000. This has been known for weeks Arazi Jan 2017 #44

The list of honorees was released yesterday, apparently. yardwork Jan 2017 #57

The goals, mission and organisers are no mystery. Why isn't Rosa Parks included?!11!! Arazi Jan 2017 #64

What an odd reaction oberliner Jan 2017 #99

Or recognize that the organizers get to structure this as they like Arazi Jan 2017 #104

A reasonable option is to sign a petition oberliner Jan 2017 #106

Manufactured outrage ...you keep saying that apcalc Jan 2017 #205

Or how about just encouraging them to include Hillary Clinton? oberliner Jan 2017 #59

You knew this and were fine with it? yardwork Jan 2017 #45

everyone i have seen that are going supported hillary and don't know anything about this list JI7 Jan 2017 #18

Here is a link oberliner Jan 2017 #21

the problem is one person who seems like one of those career types JI7 Jan 2017 #165

Good! Hillary's name should definitely be on the list whether Cha Jan 2017 #38

If Satan wants to organize a march against Trump than I'm going to attend...plus the TrekLuver Jan 2017 #25

Satan would never organize a march against himself elmac Jan 2017 #112

It's not a march against Trump oberliner Jan 2017 #118

Yeah I know but for me it is. And the organizers can go and say whatever they want but TrekLuver Jan 2017 #127

I hear ya oberliner Jan 2017 #131

HRC should be LEADING the March. no_hypocrisy Jan 2017 #27

And, she kept it under wraps until the 11th hour. LisaM Jan 2017 #28

No, she didn't keep it under wraps. The group's website is available to anyone Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #42

The list of names was put up on the 19th. LisaM Jan 2017 #53

The 19th, yesterday? Jim Beard Jan 2017 #140

Correct. LisaM Jan 2017 #189

No. It was released on the 12th or maybe earlier Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #211

This is NOT true. This was released on the 12th or earlier Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #210

I'm wearing my "A woman's place is in the White House" shirt tomorrow. n/t cynatnite Jan 2017 #29

That is great elmac Jan 2017 #116

For those who are surprised by any of this, I suggest visiting this site: Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #39

The list was released yesterday. LisaM Jan 2017 #138

I'm a bit behind the times here. What is the stated purpose of the march? jalan48 Jan 2017 #41

Website here: Cal Carpenter Jan 2017 #43

Thanks-as I read the FAQ page the march is about "women's rights as human rights". jalan48 Jan 2017 #54

Yes, Hillary's famous phrase was used, but Hillary herself was left off the honoree list oberliner Jan 2017 #63

It seems to be a big omission. She was the first female candidate for President, like her or not. jalan48 Jan 2017 #68

Well, actually, Shirley Chisholm was the first female candidate for President, from either of KingCharlemagne Jan 2017 #177

True-I should have said major party. jalan48 Jan 2017 #179

LOL - Shirley Chisholm was a great Democrat, but she did not KingCharlemagne Jan 2017 #181

A little reminder for us: Excerpt from HRC's speech on September 5th 1995, in Beijing, China emulatorloo Jan 2017 #66

Not exactly, it is about rights HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #56

Thank you-this was very helpful. jalan48 Jan 2017 #61

Of course it's about rights. That's not the point. LisaM Jan 2017 #62

Rosa Parks, Susan B Anthony, Marie Curie - also left off Arazi Jan 2017 #90

She needs to get on the right side of the sh't quick. democratisphere Jan 2017 #46

I think it's a good idea NOT to make it about politicians Warpy Jan 2017 #47

THIS eShirl Jan 2017 #201

Wear Your Hillary Gear, Problem Solved. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #49

Hillary Supporters need to shout her name and make their presence felt... JHan Jan 2017 #50

Hate this but still going gwheezie Jan 2017 #51

god I wish you people would quit with this BS already... chillfactor Jan 2017 #67

Huh? oberliner Jan 2017 #144

I don't care. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #70

And so of course this means the entire march PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2017 #74

Hold together, people. Don't let posts like this divide us. nolabear Jan 2017 #77

Who cares? OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #78

Can progressives have arguments with one another? oberliner Jan 2017 #164

According to you, OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #191

Not true oberliner Jan 2017 #212

This is SO typical. Hillary is needlessly insulted. People who like her speak up. LisaM Jan 2017 #79

Thanks for the heads up Ob. I signed the petition and will be their still_one Jan 2017 #81

and yet Dolores Huerta and Gloria Steinem (also Co-Chairs) campaigned for Hillary. Turn CO Blue Jan 2017 #82

David Brock? oberliner Jan 2017 #163

If she campaigned against Hillary in the general RandySF Jan 2017 #84

Exactly. yardwork Jan 2017 #95

I have more respect liquid diamond Jan 2017 #123

On local NPR here in Florida HopeAgain Jan 2017 #87

So, I guess getting out and showing Trump we won't tolerate his crap Raine Jan 2017 #88

This is a discussion board, isn't it? oberliner Jan 2017 #161

Okay matt819 Jan 2017 #92

I notice the posters claiming this is fake are ignoring this thread and links. yardwork Jan 2017 #93

They are fooling no one. BainsBane Jan 2017 #227

I had a thought... Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #102

Check out this article oberliner Jan 2017 #117

Maybe or maybe not, but it's a media/social media mess. janx Jan 2017 #120

We continue to shoot liquid diamond Jan 2017 #111

circular firing squad elmac Jan 2017 #121

careful Skittles Jan 2017 #124

Discussion forums are for discussions oberliner Jan 2017 #159

o my dog,,, pitch forks and torches folks, circle our outrage and get her!! juxtaposed Jan 2017 #130

o my god,, the ignorance. Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #184

Yes its shitty but what is your goal marlakay Jan 2017 #133

Let's try to get Hillary included as an honoree oberliner Jan 2017 #135

We can do that without spreading disharmony marlakay Jan 2017 #136

Discussion forums are for discussions oberliner Jan 2017 #142

THE GOP wants you to stay home, please don't listen! JoeOtterbein Jan 2017 #137

No one should stay home oberliner Jan 2017 #157

Every time another Hillary supporter Uponthegears Jan 2017 #141

Facts are facts oberliner Jan 2017 #143

I'm willing to take you at your word Uponthegears Jan 2017 #146

Your point is taken oberliner Jan 2017 #151

Terrific post Uponthegears Jan 2017 #176

So why is Hillary not one of the honorees? The thought of her being excluded is ridiculous... brush Jan 2017 #187

While anything I say Uponthegears Jan 2017 #195

There are other honorees, right? How would Hillary being one mark the day as a tribute to her? brush Jan 2017 #206

Because the MSM hates us Uponthegears Jan 2017 #207

FAKE NEWS MANIA! Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #145

I want the march to be succesful oberliner Jan 2017 #156

Exactly the point Bettie Jan 2017 #182

Hillary's campaign is over. n/t DefenseLawyer Jan 2017 #152

It is, because of people like Sarsour BainsBane Jan 2017 #226

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #153

Thanks for deleting the obscenities oberliner Jan 2017 #154

I have my own opinions on why this thread was started. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #158

What are they? oberliner Jan 2017 #166

Who give a fuck melman Jan 2017 #162

Almost 7,000 people have signed the petition so far oberliner Jan 2017 #168

It's not a non issue to all those who have signed the petition Cha Jan 2017 #209

Wow - there sure have been many attempts to make sure this march doesn't happen myrna minx Jan 2017 #167

Yup. Make a note of who is doing it. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #169

Why? oberliner Jan 2017 #172

The march will definitely happen oberliner Jan 2017 #171

"Don't blame me. I voted for Hillary" Jakes Progress Jan 2017 #185

Yes! I'm taking my Hillary sign! BainsBane Jan 2017 #228

I don't think she campaigned against Hillary in the general election fishwax Jan 2017 #186

Wonder what her JPR name is...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #219

She campaigned for Trump BainsBane Jan 2017 #225