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56. That's what gets me
Sat Jan 21, 2017, 10:12 PM
Jan 2017

Look at the numbers and you can't really say it was all white men.

Women in general gave him 42%
White women gave him 53%
Non-College educated white women gave him 62%

How you can vote against your own interests, is something I don't understand. This guy was anti women from day 1.

What really hurt was turnout in key locations. That, I throw at Hillary's feet.
Not her emails, not her husband, not fake benghazi scandals.

Just, given the choice between going out to vote for Hillary or staying home (or at work), people chose the latter.

The problem with being a Democrat is that you have to engage them for longer and excite them. They don't fall in line and automatically do their duty on election day. In that way, she wasn't able to grab their attention. Obama did. Maybe it was the message, maybe it was the delivery, but he was able to grab the mindshare.
Hillary was steady, but steady doesn't bring butts to the seats (so to speak).

I really don't think it was a man vs woman thing. I don't think Hillary's campaigning style would have worked even had it come from a man. Not her fault really, it's hard to campaign on "you like the last 8 years? We can give you more of it." against the PT Barnum rhetoric that DT was spewing. WE knew it's BS, but it's entertaining BS for the masses.

The Democratic party needs a shakeup now, not because the beliefs are wrong, but because the party itself is coming off as boring.
That may change after DT wrecks things and the ebb and flow of history comes our way.

Look at it like this, since the 80's, no party (with the exception of the Bush sr term that was terrible) has been able to keep the POTUS for more than 2 terms. The public loses interest or the message fails due to it not being active.

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tens of millions of women voters are ok with all that...unfortunately nt msongs Jan 2017 #1
yeah, thanks for the reminder and support. boston bean Jan 2017 #2
It is amazing how passionate they are about their jmg257 Jan 2017 #16
I read they don't want to be appear Generator Jan 2017 #45
The ones I know are manipulators and erinlough Jan 2017 #54
It is easier to fool people, GeoWilliam750 Jan 2017 #20
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2017 #3
I understood that, in no uncertain terms. shraby Jan 2017 #4
Exactly. Squinch Jan 2017 #5
It is still difficult to believe etherealtruth Jan 2017 #6
Yep. leftofcool Jan 2017 #7
I'm with you on that... llmart Jan 2017 #11
Don't be too sure about that. pangaia Jan 2017 #21
He can take away your social security. Paka Jan 2017 #51
It is possible to feel gutted by this election, and to not have had Hillary... Barack_America Jan 2017 #8
Start a thread. boston bean Jan 2017 #9
That's the collaborative, post-primary, forward-thinking spirit Skinner was asking for. Barack_America Jan 2017 #10
I have a thread discussing womens rights. You want to discuss something else boston bean Jan 2017 #12
Like Boston Bean said, start your own thread obamanut2012 Jan 2017 #57
How do you mansplain to a woman? Barack_America Jan 2017 #58
They've been working on it for more than 25 years Bettie Jan 2017 #13
Unfortunately there is an underbelly of white male supremacy in this country Stonepounder Jan 2017 #17
I respectfully disagree Caliman73 Jan 2017 #24
I don't think that privilege works the way you are describing. stevenleser Jan 2017 #40
Privilege works exactly as I described Caliman73 Jan 2017 #43
What you just wrote is different than what you wrote before. I agree with this latest statement. stevenleser Jan 2017 #44
I don't agree. qwlauren35 Jan 2017 #48
Yes, yet think of this RayOfHope Jan 2017 #60
KNR Lucinda Jan 2017 #14
it was mostly angry racist white men and many white women who are married to them JI7 Jan 2017 #15
Preaching to the choir AKGirl86 Jan 2017 #18
Interesting CNN exit poll - White women voted for Trump over Clinton by a 9 point margin progree Jan 2017 #19
And it says white female college grads voted 51 Hillary, 44 Trump. nt SunSeeker Jan 2017 #25
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2017 #22
How about OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #23
Well said Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #26
Thank you OrwellwasRight Jan 2017 #30
Thank you... I feel the same way. SMC22307 Jan 2017 #52
Hillary got like 2.8 million more votes than Trump... Imajika Jan 2017 #27
Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #28
I have a female friend who is obsessed about this - that Hillary is some chump for sticking progree Jan 2017 #31
So someone you know, who never votes doesn't like Hillary. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #34
Interestingly she was all fired up to vote for Bernie, if he was the G.E. candidate progree Jan 2017 #37
OMFG Skittles Jan 2017 #32
Then please explain it to me instead of insulting me. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #35
Most blatantly BainsBane Jan 2017 #50
Shame on you for repeating GOP lies concerning the fake email scandal. (eom) StevieM Jan 2017 #36
Mahalo, boston.. that's why this Women's March is so Cha Jan 2017 #29
Sadly, millions of WOMEN voted for Trump, or Stein, or Johnson, or didn't vote at all. Also, RBInMaine Jan 2017 #33
Oh, that was part of it, too. I felt betrayed by my own gender. Silver Gaia Jan 2017 #47
Awesome post! hamsterjill Jan 2017 #38
Kicking, boston bean Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #39
We will use this to rise. And THRIVE. nolabear Jan 2017 #41
I would hope ANYONE that comes to DU Generator Jan 2017 #42
You nailed it, boston bean. Silver Gaia Jan 2017 #46
Thank you for putting it in these words. retrowire Jan 2017 #49
Didn't 52% of white women vote for this asshole? liquid diamond Jan 2017 #53
That's what gets me Flatpicker Jan 2017 #56
Thank you for your brilliant post. liquid diamond Jan 2017 #59
You'll never know how much that outcome hurt me Xipe Totec Jan 2017 #55
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