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In reply to the discussion: Many of you will just never understand [View all]Flatpicker
(894 posts)Look at the numbers and you can't really say it was all white men.
Women in general gave him 42%
White women gave him 53%
Non-College educated white women gave him 62%
How you can vote against your own interests, is something I don't understand. This guy was anti women from day 1.
What really hurt was turnout in key locations. That, I throw at Hillary's feet.
Not her emails, not her husband, not fake benghazi scandals.
Just, given the choice between going out to vote for Hillary or staying home (or at work), people chose the latter.
The problem with being a Democrat is that you have to engage them for longer and excite them. They don't fall in line and automatically do their duty on election day. In that way, she wasn't able to grab their attention. Obama did. Maybe it was the message, maybe it was the delivery, but he was able to grab the mindshare.
Hillary was steady, but steady doesn't bring butts to the seats (so to speak).
I really don't think it was a man vs woman thing. I don't think Hillary's campaigning style would have worked even had it come from a man. Not her fault really, it's hard to campaign on "you like the last 8 years? We can give you more of it." against the PT Barnum rhetoric that DT was spewing. WE knew it's BS, but it's entertaining BS for the masses.
The Democratic party needs a shakeup now, not because the beliefs are wrong, but because the party itself is coming off as boring.
That may change after DT wrecks things and the ebb and flow of history comes our way.
Look at it like this, since the 80's, no party (with the exception of the Bush sr term that was terrible) has been able to keep the POTUS for more than 2 terms. The public loses interest or the message fails due to it not being active.