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edhopper

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8. smoking tobacco is not a right

Sun Jan 22, 2017, 05:55 PM

Jan 2017

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it is the most dangerous consumer product sold. It's manufacture and sale should be banned.

It's fortunate that its use is banned in many places.

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Weed legalized in Cali and age to buy Tobacco is raised to 21. Seems weird to celebrate both. [View all] CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 OP

Who me ? Single drop Jan 2017 #1

Look up the stages of how the human brain develops. procon Jan 2017 #2

Then why stop at tobacco? CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 #9

The original intent of "age of majority" laws was to protect youngsters until they matured Hekate Jan 2017 #36

Where I grew up... ret5hd Jan 2017 #3

59? Lochloosa Jan 2017 #6

Yep. ret5hd Jan 2017 #16

May I ask where that is? CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 #10

Only the oddest place in the lower 48: OK ret5hd Jan 2017 #13

Tobacco is very addictive...physically addictive. Weed is not. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #4

Two things: One, weed isn't legal under 21 either, and two, tobacco is way fucking worse for you. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #5

Bingo bravenak Jan 2017 #15

doesn't matter. when you're 18 you have the *responsibilities* of being an adult; you should have TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #45

it's an arguable point Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #50

Both weed and tobacco increase your chances of getting lung cancer. milestogo Jan 2017 #7

I'm not familiar with tobacco edibles- other than chewing tobacco loyalsister Jan 2017 #34

nicotine gum? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #39

Have people started chewing it for health reasons loyalsister Jan 2017 #43

smoking tobacco is not a right edhopper Jan 2017 #8

If we're going to ban it, ban it from all or from none. CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 #11

things like tobacco and alcohol edhopper Jan 2017 #17

age restrictions, yes Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #20

Well, we make a distinction between adults and minors on all sorts of things. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #22

Oh, bullshit. Hey, my dad even died from lung cancer, but you know what? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #19

Second hand smoke impacts others around the smoker mythology Jan 2017 #29

No, the minute your choices endanger others then it becomes their business. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #30

WHEN 2nd hand smoke is a problem, it should be prohibited, otherwise not. OK? nt TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #47

I don't often agree with you Texasgal Jan 2017 #31

I can be a right **** sometimes Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #32

OMG. does a person own and control their own body??!! a lot of "progressives" are unfortunately TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #46

If you notice edhopper Jan 2017 #53

The reasoning "it's my body, hands off" works sometimes. Igel Jan 2017 #12

Very well said CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 #14

I agree 100%, except about vaccination. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #23

Tobacco will kill you and the people around you. LeftyMom Jan 2017 #18

Anti-weed musicians: Ted Nugent, Gene Simmons, and New Kids on the Block Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #21

Who noodle dances to jam bands again? LeftyMom Jan 2017 #24

Oh my god, if you can't appreciate that Other One Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #25

Imma just leave this here.... opiate69 Jan 2017 #27

Weed just makes you have bad taste in music makes no freakin sense...it's not even TrekLuver Jan 2017 #40

I am 49 and still think that 18 year olds should Doreen Jan 2017 #26

Especially the "tried as an adult" thing CaliforniaLove Jan 2017 #28

exactly; shouldn't even be an issue. sadly, most people will take away the rights of others in just TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #48

IKR? People who "think" and have "opinions" that are "different" kcr Jan 2017 #54

thank heavens someone Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #61

Given that somehow I actually agree with some of your posts in this thread, that is too funny, WD kcr Jan 2017 #83

apparently, you can't be against the drug war unless you're also against social security. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #60

Was this a dig at me? Because I don't agree with that other poster. kcr Jan 2017 #86

No. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #87

Unless you think heroin and meth should be legal, then the government is going to be DanTex Jan 2017 #33

no one has tried "the purist libertarian thing". What we HAVE tried is the authoritarian one. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #35

No, but people have advocated it. DanTex Jan 2017 #37

"tightening smoking laws" isn't the same thing as outlawing nicotine. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #38

The OP isn't talking about outlawing nicotine. Nobody is. DanTex Jan 2017 #41

Actually, the reason for that is that very few people live in their own amusement park Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #42

No, the reason is that they're illegal. DanTex Jan 2017 #51

know what? I'm not going to apologize for believing that people should have the RIGHT to Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #55

So you're totally ignoring the arguments I'm making. DanTex Jan 2017 #57

you're not making arguments. You'e conflating unrelated shit. Here, I'll play: Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #59

Yes, I am. I'm challenging your libertarian orthodoxy. DanTex Jan 2017 #65

I don't have a fucking "orthodoxy". Unlike some people, I am exactly what I appear to be, here. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #66

Actually, yes, you do. It's just that you apply the principles inconsistently. DanTex Jan 2017 #69

Thank you for presuming that you're inside my head. But you're not. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #71

I'm not presuming anything, that's why I'm asking. I'm going by what you have said. DanTex Jan 2017 #73

so how come we never see Batman and Bruce Wayne at the same time? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #76

You know, it's almost sad kcr Jan 2017 #85

I've pretty much said everything I need to say on the matter, in the thread. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #88

i think heroin and meth *should* be legal. who are you to tell anyone what they can or can not TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #49

Do you also apply the same principle outside of drugs? DanTex Jan 2017 #52

Do you think that paying taxes is the functional equivalent of having a leg forcibly amputated? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #62

Huh? Of course not. Neither is not being allowed to shoot heroin. Not sure what your point is. DanTex Jan 2017 #63

Do you think women should have the right to use birth control or get abortions? Why or why not? Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #64

Of course. The cost-benefit analysis is easy because there are no costs whatsoever. DanTex Jan 2017 #67

so personal freedom is totally irrelevant. Gotcha. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #68

Of course it's relevant. It's a benefit. DanTex Jan 2017 #70

right, but personal freedom is bad, because milton friedman. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #72

Of course personal freedom is good. What are you talking about? DanTex Jan 2017 #74

no, your orthodoxy is that people aren't allowed to make their own decisions. Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #75

What? No. My orthodoxy is that people should be allowed to make their own decisions, DanTex Jan 2017 #77

you disagree with my statement up there that "prohibition doesn't work". Do you think it has worked Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #78

Whether it's worked with heroin is a good question. DanTex Jan 2017 #79

Again, it's not so much that I think "shooting heroin is great", I philosophically believe that the Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #80

OK. I disagree, I think that point of view is entirely arbitrary with respect to liberty. DanTex Jan 2017 #82

i never said that there should be a ban on banning drugs; you are conflating the two; TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #81

You did said heroin and meth should be legal, right? DanTex Jan 2017 #84

when you're 18 you can be drafted and thrown in jail with ax-murderers; you should be able to buy a TheFrenchRazor Jan 2017 #44

You really can't think of a reason why people would see both issues differently? kcr Jan 2017 #56

I've never met anyone who didn't impose arbitrary limits LanternWaste Jan 2017 #58