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NastyRiffraff

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177. Thank you for this thread, pnwmom

Tue Jan 24, 2017, 02:05 PM

Jan 2017

This is a discussion we need to have. We can support good, progressive policies no matter where they come from as long as the proposed outcome is clear. That's very different from being delighted to work with the SwampPeople. Although sometimes it's necessary, even desirable, we don't have to, and shouldn't, be "delighted" to do so. And, we should be very wary of doing so; these people believe facts are things that can be manipulated at will...their will.

I think Democrats (real ones) should fight Dump's Cabinet nominees tooth and nail, even though they most likely will lose. Why? Because it will enrage and frustrate Dump, who I believe wants nothing less than 100% approval, without annoying questions of the candidates. They should fight every single policy decision that will hurt working people, seniors, women, LGBT, the disabled, the poor.

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No one should be "delighted" to work with DT on any issue, no matter [View all] pnwmom Jan 2017 OP

Agreed Ubermensch777 Jan 2017 #1

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+1000 sheshe2 Jan 2017 #3

Disturbing to see anyone ignore the huge damage he is doing. bettyellen Jan 2017 #4

Especially when said "issue" was canned months ago. joshcryer Jan 2017 #5

No. Behaving principled and non-partisan when it comes to standing by the ISSUES rather than JCanete Jan 2017 #10

Like the average American voter cares. Jeezus. You can't play by the rules while your opponent BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #19

what? You totally misinterpreted what I said. We should fight where we disagree. To say Sanders JCanete Jan 2017 #22

It's hard not to take the bait, but we shouldn't. Dustlawyer Jan 2017 #50

No. We should give Republicans a taste of their own obstructionism medicine. Period. Even the bills BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #121

Thank you, BlueCaliDem! Cha Jan 2017 #84

You're welcome, Cha. It needed to be said. Oh how some of us so quickly forget the extreme BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #123

It would help normalize trump who uses the slightest toe hold Cha Jan 2017 #133

Heheheh...'blotus'. Perfect nickname for that bloviating p.o.s.! BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #135

+1! tecelote Jan 2017 #20

It isn't necessary to express "delight" about working with the Minotaur. pnwmom Jan 2017 #37

he didn't. he said IF, and that really was the important caveat you are intentionally missing. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #61

The "if" implies that it's possible DT will change -- and it normalizes him. pnwmom Jan 2017 #62

no. you infer that. It does not imply that. Again, from the mouth of a person who calls Trump a JCanete Jan 2017 #63

I said that the "if" implies that it is possible -- not probable. pnwmom Jan 2017 #74

THANK YOU ! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #91

Worker "policies" he's using as propaganda. joshcryer Jan 2017 #80

You're making shit up though. Sanders said "IF" Trump does this, he would be delighted to JCanete Jan 2017 #92

Its like talking to a brick wall. It's clear now that ppl are fucking obsessed dionysus Jan 2017 #127

EXACTLY!!! Thank You for pointing out what should be obvious. KPN Jan 2017 #156

Trump and Sanders are giving China a gift Gothmog Jan 2017 #94

Yes, he is. And he wants our environment to descend to China's level. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #165

Oh for fucks sake. You know when they say "my good friend across the isle"? Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2017 #164

I totally agree. It's bullshit that's been... WePurrsevere Jan 2017 #168

I agree! MountCleaners Jan 2017 #60

Sadners is backing up trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #73

Wow, this after he is my-way-or-the -highway with R B Garr Jan 2017 #90

Thanks for chiming in. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #101

So Trump and Sanders want to make China stronger Gothmog Jan 2017 #110

Thats a load of shit, and you know it. A year ago DU was all against the TTP, dionysus Jan 2017 #130

I assure you that what comes up with will be 100x worse than TPP. joshcryer Jan 2017 #76

Well who is believing this though? That's your narrative and it is hogwash. It isn't meted out JCanete Jan 2017 #93

Tell me why Sanders thinks he can work with tRump on pro worker policies.. sheshe2 Jan 2017 #141

Short answer? He doesn't. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #146

K sheshe2 Jan 2017 #147

BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! NEVER EVER EVER NORMALIZE A BULLY UNTIL THEIR BEHAVIOR IS CHANGED!!! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #89

That didn't happen. He agreed with Trump's position on something Have we lost our fucking minds here JCanete Jan 2017 #95

"All the other shit is us embarrassing ourselves on these boards." dionysus Jan 2017 #137

We should for sure follow your advice if we want to lose. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #173

utterly ridiculous. He's not likely to do anything else that is actually good,but if he did, JCanete Jan 2017 #174

In 2008, the GOP lost everything/ Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #181

You're inserting a lot of shit that was not said or implied...to suggest that Sanders, who JCanete Jan 2017 #6

I purposely didn't name Sanders. I was speaking much more generally. pnwmom Jan 2017 #8

sure, but other people mentioned sanders, and then I did a search, and lo and behold, Sanders said JCanete Jan 2017 #13

Bernie could go on record without saying he'd be "delighted" to work with the monster. pnwmom Jan 2017 #38

Never known Bernie to be other that kacekwl Jan 2017 #48

again, that's your absolute bullshit interpretation. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #97

The words had the effect of normalizing DT and taking him at his word. pnwmom Jan 2017 #39

fucking Christ. Exactly as Sanders has said over and over and over. He calls him a pathological liar JCanete Jan 2017 #98

They are delighted about the ISSUE, not the person.. whathehell Jan 2017 #41

I agree. n/t secondwind Jan 2017 #45

What are these "issues" of which you speak? QC Jan 2017 #55

Lol whathehell Jan 2017 #124

China is, too. They're probably partying right about now. BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #126

Sanders said he was delighted to work with Trump. True or false? yardwork Jan 2017 #25

actually false. Though I don't care. The insinuations are well beyond whether or not JCanete Jan 2017 #28

Did Sanders ever say anything similar about working with President Obama? yardwork Jan 2017 #96

is this a serious question? Do you want me to find a time where he used the exact word? JCanete Jan 2017 #99

You seem upset. My question was sincere. yardwork Jan 2017 #102

"If President Trump is serious abt a new policy 2 help American workers, then I wd be delighted..." DRoseDARs Jan 2017 #36

The disingenuousness from some on DU remains astounding. DRoseDARs Jan 2017 #30

Oh yeah.... they have not stopped... Raster Jan 2017 #56

I didn't even mention his name in the OP, or refer to any specific incident, pnwmom Jan 2017 #150

you already responded to this post, and I responded back as to your "not mentioning" JCanete Jan 2017 #155

Obama never said he was delighted about anything to do with DT. pnwmom Jan 2017 #158

do you realize how stupid this is getting? You are making a whole argument about "normalization" JCanete Jan 2017 #161

+1000! KPN Jan 2017 #159

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And when was he ever "delighted" to work with Obama? n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #9

When he worked with him on the AFfordable Care Act.. whathehell Jan 2017 #44

+1000 kacekwl Jan 2017 #49

Thank you. n/t. whathehell Jan 2017 #154

Do you have a link for that? I haven't been able to find any expressions of delight. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #151

Maybe whathehell Jan 2017 #153

It doesn't seem anything since he wanted him primared in 2012 Cha Jan 2017 #70

that sounds like really solid methodology you employed there Cha. JCanete Jan 2017 #103

Talk to sanders.. he's the one who wanted President Obama Cha Jan 2017 #128

I cannot recall such a thing ever happening ... NurseJackie Jan 2017 #179

Thank you. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2017 #17

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #11

uhuh...good thing we got rid of the post-mortem forum..nt JCanete Jan 2017 #14

We didn't. It just morphed into whatever forum the anti-Sanders brigade... Raster Jan 2017 #40

Oppose everything Longtime lurker 99 Jan 2017 #12

I completely agree with you compsports Jan 2017 #26

Welcome to DU, Longtime lurker 99! pnwmom Jan 2017 #33

Pussys actually. I wish they would grow some vaginas tavalon Jan 2017 #138

I was more concerned with Obama wanting to work with the Republicans to pass the TPP. jalan48 Jan 2017 #15

yeah, no shit. It really isn't about policies for us on these boards. We think the hate can save us JCanete Jan 2017 #16

It's really a small cabal here but they are very vocal. tecelote Jan 2017 #23

Agreed Gothmog Jan 2017 #18

Sanders is who I thought he was. nt LexVegas Jan 2017 #21

Maybe Sanders' haters could form their own group... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #24

His chess game isn't that good then. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #31

Why should they when they're allowed to run the whole site? n/t QC Jan 2017 #51

No fucking shit! Raster Jan 2017 #57

The post was deliberately written in a general way and didn't name anyone. pnwmom Jan 2017 #77

No offense, but your statement is weak at best... Talk Is Cheap Jan 2017 #79

That is a truly Spicerian statement. n/t QC Jan 2017 #82

You know this thread was meant as a Bernie-bash thread melman Jan 2017 #83

It's meant to criticize an action that I don't want ANYONE to take, pnwmom Jan 2017 #86

What are... sheshe2 Jan 2017 #144

To late. Matt Damon says he'll pitch clean water program to Trump . That's just what the Liberal In Red State Jan 2017 #27

Oh hell no.. right drumpfuck will go for "clean water" meanwhile Cha Jan 2017 #58

I'd be delighted to help him pack to move out of the White House next month. NightWatcher Jan 2017 #29

+ 1000 n/t. MBS Jan 2017 #32

How very glad I am that we've all gotten over fighting about the primaries. mac56 Jan 2017 #34

I wrote this to apply generally because it would be wrong no matter who did it. pnwmom Jan 2017 #35

with all due respect, You meant your comments to be aimed directly at Senator Sanders... Raster Jan 2017 #42

Exactly melman Jan 2017 #47

+1 QC Jan 2017 #52

I voted for Bernie in the Primary elmac Jan 2017 #46

This has nothing to do with that.. and you should know that. This is Cha Jan 2017 #67

Agree elmac Jan 2017 #43

That was an assinine statement he made. I guess we know who will NOT hold the line. Squinch Jan 2017 #53

agree handmade34 Jan 2017 #54

What if DT wants single payer? Sienna86 Jan 2017 #59

SANDERS ISN'T A DEMOCRALBAHLBASLKJDFINIHSDNF!!!!111!!!!1 DRoseDARs Jan 2017 #68

DT lies with every breath. And Sanders is not a Democrat, by his own choice and repeated testimony. Hekate Jan 2017 #69

Isn't it stated very clearly here to not bash Democrats or allies? Sanders being specifically named? JCanete Jan 2017 #118

Oh, was she talking about Sanders specifically? He was not named in the OP.... Hekate Jan 2017 #129

I don't think that op was bashing, whether she had listed his name or not. JCanete Jan 2017 #136

Which Democrat are we talking about? I'm confused. pnwmom Jan 2017 #152

It's a mistake, in my opinion, for anyone to do anything that legitimizes Trump. NurseJackie Jan 2017 #64

Bernie always has and always will be guided by his principles Tom Rinaldo Jan 2017 #65

Sure, and his principles are that he is a gadfly Hekate Jan 2017 #72

which is far far better than no gadflies. nt JCanete Jan 2017 #120

Well, when your target is always your supposed friends because you want them to be perfect.... Hekate Jan 2017 #131

made-up narrative. "want them to be perfect..." "always target your friends..." JCanete Jan 2017 #157

How can anyone be "delighted" to work with a crocodile in a swamp? pnwmom Jan 2017 #78

The "delight" would be in easing hardships for most Americans Tom Rinaldo Jan 2017 #85

That's what should be said then. pnwmom Jan 2017 #88

He has to live in reality melman Jan 2017 #100

I haven't heard Elizabeth Warren say she'll be delighted to work with DT pnwmom Jan 2017 #104

It's "normalizing" that idiot..and there's nothing normal about Cha Jan 2017 #66

Normalizing Trump is not a good move Gothmog Jan 2017 #81

Normalizing Trumputin is the dumbest thing any Democrat or Democratic ally could do BlueCaliDem Jan 2017 #132

Right. You are being thoughtful. Hekate Jan 2017 #71

Back to Smoot-Hawley we go tirebiter Jan 2017 #75

+++DEMOCRATS SHOULD BE TAUGHT HOW TO DEAL WITH BULLIES !!!+++ Bullies are not assholes in uponit7771 Jan 2017 #87

How long are you going to re-fight the primaries? former9thward Jan 2017 #105

The OP has nothing to do with the primaries. pnwmom Jan 2017 #106

DU rec... SidDithers Jan 2017 #107

I have no problem with this Uponthegears Jan 2017 #108

This isn't about supporting DT on any particular issue. It's about expressing pnwmom Jan 2017 #111

I actually agree with you Uponthegears Jan 2017 #114

You make some very good points. pnwmom Jan 2017 #115

So true Uponthegears Jan 2017 #117

Kick Quayblue Jan 2017 #109

I'll miss Chuck Uponthegears Jan 2017 #112

Could you point to the place where he talks about being delighted to work with DT? pnwmom Jan 2017 #113

No Uponthegears Jan 2017 #116

Not true! I would be delighted to work with him MurrayDelph Jan 2017 #119

The only response any principled person to make to a Trump offer forjusticethunders Jan 2017 #122

Oh FFS, he isn't jumping up and clicking his heels in joy, he was dionysus Jan 2017 #125

I am a nighrshifter and I just woke up tavalon Jan 2017 #134

Someone said it, but I purposely wrote the OP not to be specific, pnwmom Jan 2017 #139

Well tavalon Jan 2017 #140

Bernie erred here, not a smart political move by any measure.. sigh. JHan Jan 2017 #142

His use of "delighted" is absolute. retrowire Jan 2017 #143

I'd be ok with it if folks applied their "normalizing Trump" outrage to every situation... SaschaHM Jan 2017 #145

That's for sure! triron Jan 2017 #148

He treats everyone like shit. Rex Jan 2017 #149

Yeah, that's like walking around with a "Kick me" sign taped to your back. betsuni Jan 2017 #160

Why did you not post the actual quote - what Bernie really said? womanofthehills Jan 2017 #162

Because I wasn't specifically talking about Bernie. pnwmom Jan 2017 #163

but he isn't giving credence to it, in fact he is opening up a dialog as to whether or not Trump is JCanete Jan 2017 #166

Because that would not serve the purpose of refighting the primary QC Jan 2017 #170

ugh MFM008 Jan 2017 #167

Hillary "normalized" Trump's presidency the most by attending his inaugaration. Tom Rinaldo Jan 2017 #169

An elected representative had better at least pretend to be delighted... Orsino Jan 2017 #171

If you are working with Trump Jake2413 Jan 2017 #172

But this is the Democratic Party's position during the tRump years. mvd Jan 2017 #175

The issue is how you do it. Saying publicly that you would be pnwmom Jan 2017 #176

Well, personally it does not bother me mvd Jan 2017 #178

Thank you for this thread, pnwmom NastyRiffraff Jan 2017 #177

McCain: Without trade pact, China will be economically dominant Gothmog Jan 2017 #180