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dgauss

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87. True, but the range of options was a little different at that time.

Tue Jan 24, 2017, 04:30 PM

Jan 2017

I think going into it further would be post mortem territory so I'll drop it.

But what Sanders is doing now is pragmatism and the other option is rejecting something most people here want.

The argument, I think, is not so much that he is willing work with Trump towards something Democrats want, but how he said it, that he is "normalizing" Trump and that just seems like nonsense. It seems like personal resentment against Sanders and that is counter productive.

What if Sanders had said:

"If President Trump is serious about a new policy to help American workers, then I would work with him."

Instead of

"If President Trump is serious about a new policy to help American workers, then I would be delighted to work with him."

Would the first be ok but the second is "normalizing" him? The first pragmatic but the second is dangerously fooling people into thinking Trump is a good guy?

Sorry but it's nonsense.

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Why Sanders' praise of Trump over TPP is so dangerous [View all] BainsBane Jan 2017 OP

Meh. KPN Jan 2017 #1

Ending the minimum wage BainsBane Jan 2017 #3

Saw a lotta Chuck Schumer "willing to cooperate with tRump" talk on PBS last night. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #63

Are you comparing Bernie to Schumer? BainsBane Jan 2017 #84

Just noting the similar "concilliatory" approach. Guess you missed it. Oh, are primaries over? Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #86

Funny, WAPO article doesn't mention the primary emulatorloo Jan 2017 #88

Doesn't have to -- it never dies in DU! Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #89

I'm trying to figure out the standard BainsBane Jan 2017 #108

Actually, the corporate Party structure is clumsily playing catch up... Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #110

Let me understand BainsBane Jan 2017 #111

In order: No, No, a question to you, therefore all other questions invalid. Understand? Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #123

Why did you ask the question? BainsBane Jan 2017 #125

Sanders and Trump have very different reasons for opposing TPP. MineralMan Jan 2017 #2

Why would he care about workers Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #4

Exactly. BainsBane Jan 2017 #12

Thank You Furthermore, this ultimately strengthens China. To Putin's delight. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #34

So Trump and Sanders want to make China stronger Gothmog Jan 2017 #67

Nonsense. Bill Clinton strengthened China. appal_jack Jan 2017 #142

of course not bdamomma Jan 2017 #96

sigh. JHan Jan 2017 #5

Either way, we'll be sorry we reneged on the TPP. Hoyt Jan 2017 #6

Yes, we will. It was designed to rein in China, among other things. Obama will be proven right.... Hekate Jan 2017 #35

No, he won't zipplewrath Jan 2017 #41

Agreed :-( etherealtruth Jan 2017 #39

That's arguable. There were some legitimately bad things about TPP. DanTex Jan 2017 #47

well, those who voted for sniffles will be sorry elmac Jan 2017 #51

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No, it is not worth it BainsBane Jan 2017 #58

You would be ok so screw everyone else? brer cat Jan 2017 #65

That's abhorrent Hekate Jan 2017 #72

Absolutely. Look how much it helped us win in 2016 hollowdweller Jan 2017 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Cary Jan 2017 #7

I think many have. George II Jan 2017 #8

That won't help the party's electoral prospects BainsBane Jan 2017 #9

I wonder if that's actually the objective. NurseJackie Jan 2017 #11

It is mine BainsBane Jan 2017 #15

We need to oppose Trump as much as possible Gothmog Jan 2017 #68

Nope hollowdweller Jan 2017 #129

I'd like to see some objective studies on that. Cary Jan 2017 #17

Sarandon's a lost cause BainsBane Jan 2017 #19

I think we're arguing semantics Cary Jan 2017 #21

The problem is BainsBane Jan 2017 #22

Clearly Sanders didn't help Cary Jan 2017 #27

I agree with that analysis Gothmog Jan 2017 #154

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I think that's probably true BainsBane Jan 2017 #75

How did she ruin it? TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #76

Her comments BainsBane Jan 2017 #78

My bad. I thought she done something in the movie. N/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2017 #130

She is treated like a goddess on JPR Gothmog Jan 2017 #155

Radical left? KPN Jan 2017 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Cary Jan 2017 #16

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #18

For Beltway Dems, anyone to the left of DDE. Eleanors38 Jan 2017 #64

It was already dead.. there was no reason to "praise trump" and Cha Jan 2017 #10

Yes there was zipplewrath Jan 2017 #46

How does this constitute not conceding the issue to Trump? BainsBane Jan 2017 #60

No, it agrees with him zipplewrath Jan 2017 #146

No there wasn't. Cha Jan 2017 #143

Sanders thinks that he can get on trump's good side Gothmog Jan 2017 #156

So clueless.. Cha Jan 2017 #158

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thanks for this... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #20

I missed that BainsBane Jan 2017 #23

Sorry to say but,,, Cryptoad Jan 2017 #24

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Im a 6 yrs younger than him,,,,, Cryptoad Jan 2017 #36

Resectfully disagree Mr. BainsBane . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #25

Please read my post BainsBane Jan 2017 #28

Of course Trump is not pro-worker . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #31

Bernie used the term "pro-worker," saying that he'd be pnwmom Jan 2017 #56

Exactly. BainsBane Jan 2017 #62

No. Just no. Your reading of Bernie's words is wrong. scipan Jan 2017 #133

No, it is the only correct one. This is what he said: pnwmom Jan 2017 #139

Sanders is helping to normalize and promote Trump Gothmog Jan 2017 #70

"...it was Dem Third Way globalism that cost them the election..." Cary Jan 2017 #32

Here is a very good discussion of why trade was . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #147

You didn't respond to my post. Cary Jan 2017 #148

Your post was a deflection from the topic . . FairWinds Jan 2017 #159

You admit that you didn't respond to my post Cary Jan 2017 #160

Because the headline is about Sanders BainsBane Jan 2017 #48

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I don't normally compliment posters instead of just their ideas Uponthegears Jan 2017 #79

Thank you, Uponthegears. pnwmom Jan 2017 #81

Bernie supporter here. retrowire Jan 2017 #29

Great! BainsBane Jan 2017 #30

KnR. I hope the majority of Dems can come together on the issue of understanding Trump Hekate Jan 2017 #33

One of those few times I've agreed with Charles Krauthammer NewJeffCT Jan 2017 #49

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Can we get past the point BainsBane Jan 2017 #44

Not only that, but this is discussion of current events. kcr Jan 2017 #85

It is precisely that reaction BainsBane Jan 2017 #94

Exactly! LisaM Jan 2017 #132

Thank you. dgauss Jan 2017 #40

Sadly some are fooled BainsBane Jan 2017 #42

really? fooled about what exactly? Can you go into detail here, as in specific posts? nt JCanete Jan 2017 #120

Go to the locked thread in LBN BainsBane Jan 2017 #124

K&R mcar Jan 2017 #43

I'm delighted to rec this post...nt SidDithers Jan 2017 #45

I don't read any praise of Trump in this statement. Snotcicles Jan 2017 #50

The problem is how some of his supporters are interpreting the statement BainsBane Jan 2017 #55

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #53

I think the idea is to play to Trump's need for approval... rwsanders Jan 2017 #54

It may be an effort at rope-a-dope BainsBane Jan 2017 #57

I've always wondered why Bernie was never forthcoming R B Garr Jan 2017 #61

what frustrates me , and I am very pro-trade, is that it lets corporations off the hook.. JHan Jan 2017 #69

Great article Gothmog Jan 2017 #66

So Sanders should support the TPP Goblinmonger Jan 2017 #77

If you want to know my point BainsBane Jan 2017 #82

Sanders is pragmatic. He believes in getting things done. dgauss Jan 2017 #80

Interesting BainsBane Jan 2017 #83

True, but the range of options was a little different at that time. dgauss Jan 2017 #87

Why posit the question at all? BainsBane Jan 2017 #91

Basically it is a "gaffe." Bernie's human. He makes mistakes like all of us do. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #93

Hmmm. When HRC proposed a $12 min wage mcar Jan 2017 #119

What about the other D US Senators that agree with Bernie on this? Omaha Steve Jan 2017 #90

The other Senators don't lead the headlines BainsBane Jan 2017 #92

DU 12-1-16 by kpete: Bernie Sanders: Trump Got Duped On Carrier Deal Omaha Steve Jan 2017 #97

lol, the concern for who gets the credit for going R B Garr Jan 2017 #99

LOL Omaha Steve Jan 2017 #100

A highly respected newspaper BainsBane Jan 2017 #102

The same as the other US Senators against TPP that commented Omaha Steve Jan 2017 #103

Which is? BainsBane Jan 2017 #112

Quotes from Bernie also in the article. Lots of praise R B Garr Jan 2017 #104

Bernie was against TPP from day one Omaha Steve Jan 2017 #105

So he's praising Donald as a way to draw attention R B Garr Jan 2017 #106

Move On Omaha Steve Jan 2017 #107

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Just who did he convince? Omaha Steve Jan 2017 #121

Go to the locked thread in LBN BainsBane Jan 2017 #127

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Bernie was there, too! LOL, R B Garr Jan 2017 #141

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He's the new head of Democratic Outreach. So he's very visible. emulatorloo Jan 2017 #95

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Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #117

K&R Jamaal510 Jan 2017 #122

So Sanders should have told Trump to support TPP. HassleCat Jan 2017 #131

? BainsBane Jan 2017 #135

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Christianne Amanpour.. Cha Jan 2017 #145

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