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28. The problem isn't that there's no difference....

Tue Jan 24, 2017, 10:03 PM

Jan 2017

..It's that our Democrats do a poor job at clarifying, identifying, or highlighting those differences.

We don't need a better message. We need better messaging.

We need to not buy into Republican framing. Not "Well, we all agree low taxes are good but......", and not "Well we all agree abortion is bad but........", not "Well, we all agree less regulations are good for business but......". None of that.

We need all our positions shouted repeatedly and unequivocally by every Democrat, and we don't need Democrats trying to split hairs and have it both ways.

Those of us that know better and for whom it is clear, can only do so much explaining. We can only reach so many people with our words and facebook posts. We can't reach more people than see Corey Booker on Meet the Press admonishing President Obama to be nicer to Wall Street and bankers. We can't reach more people than see Chuck Schumer saying he wants to work with President Trump. We can't reach more people than Joe Machin on tv kissing up to Republicans on any number of issues.

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Anybody who says there is no difference between the two parties is an absolute idiot. [View all] LonePirate Jan 2017 OP

+1000! mcar Jan 2017 #1

I know a few on FB who are STILL dug in and refuse to admit they were wrong in pushing that claim blm Jan 2017 #2

There was a little too much truth to that the first time it was said (years ago) FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #3

It's depressing to think that after 4 or 8 years a Democrat will be voted in and the hard work betsuni Jan 2017 #4

What makes you so optimistic that we will WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2017 #18

Because there are more of us IronLionZion Jan 2017 #33

With the amount of voter surpression and outright fraud we're going to see in 2018 and beyond, briv1016 Jan 2017 #42

NO THEY'RE NOT!!... SidDithers Jan 2017 #5

Great sig line. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #53

hear hear! Madam45for2923 Jan 2017 #6

I was appalled and then outraged when Ralph Nader said it in 2000, & have not changed my opinion... Hekate Jan 2017 #7

That was going to be my comment. world wide wally Jan 2017 #14

Apparently a lot of people didn't learn that lesson. n/t WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2017 #20

You forgot the loss of New Orleans LisaM Jan 2017 #23

The far Left is where you see this position being held. It's very damaging to our cause. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #8

Right now our cause is to save our country WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2017 #19

I agree, that is why I believe that it is very important for the far Left to stop using the Trust Buster Jan 2017 #35

Not all on the far left are using that meme. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2017 #37

Never used the word "all". I responded with agreement to the position in the OP. That is my right. Trust Buster Jan 2017 #38

True, you didn't use the word all. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2017 #39

And the far right Renew Deal Jan 2017 #52

Totally agree. The more people move from the center to either extreme, the more you see this Trust Buster Jan 2017 #64

they say that because they don't care about women and others who will suffer JI7 Jan 2017 #9

I was hear before the hack. nycbos Jan 2017 #10

- Bigredhunk Jan 2017 #11

Absolute Idiot #1 - Ralph Nader nt Xipe Totec Jan 2017 #12

How different the world would be if Nader hadn't gotten all those votes in FL in 2000. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2017 #22

The difference is... jaxind Jan 2017 #13

A-effing-men! Also you are putting in office people with empathy, who are not interested only in Akamai Jan 2017 #15

Or a liar. johnp3907 Jan 2017 #16

Most of those people are young and still politically naive Ligyron Jan 2017 #17

I'm right there with you. yardwork Jan 2017 #21

"Both sides do it" is a bald faced lie. Cary Jan 2017 #24

But DUers want to punish the Democrats first IronLionZion Jan 2017 #25

Those are not DUers. You're thinking of the JPR crowd and the brainless fools over at that sewer. LonePirate Jan 2017 #31

I think going forward the Democratic Party will die a slow death kimbutgar Jan 2017 #26

Shame on us Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #27

The problem isn't that there's no difference.... vi5 Jan 2017 #28

And we need good messengers....likeable people. TrekLuver Jan 2017 #32

Booker, Schumer, and Manchin are not the problem. DanTex Jan 2017 #43

They are the problem... vi5 Jan 2017 #54

I recommend you put down the Chris Hedges and join us here in the real world. DanTex Jan 2017 #58

I don't even know who Chris Hedges is. vi5 Jan 2017 #62

Do you see a wave of far lefties winning elections across the country? No. DanTex Jan 2017 #63

So let me make sure I have this all straight.... vi5 Jan 2017 #65

She lost by a total of about 100k votes total in a few swing states. DanTex Jan 2017 #66

So all of those groups.... vi5 Jan 2017 #67

Are you paying attention? At all? DanTex Jan 2017 #68

Did you not say vi5 Jan 2017 #69

Absolutely, but obviously it was one of many factors, not the only thing. DanTex Jan 2017 #71

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #29

Do you honestly think Clinton would have done the same things had she been elected? LonePirate Jan 2017 #34

Chris Hedges is most definitely an idiot. DanTex Jan 2017 #44

if your sole criterion is support for clinton or not... tomp Jan 2017 #46

The Poster Explained That ProfessorGAC Jan 2017 #47

No, that's not the only criterion. Where did I say that? It's just one criterion. DanTex Jan 2017 #48

Even more sickening when you realize Stein was the SANE one on her ticket. HughBeaumont Jan 2017 #49

K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jan 2017 #30

Some progressives would rather stay home and make waffles... SidDithers Jan 2017 #36

Yup ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #40

Of course there's a difference. I'll take a Dem in office over a Republican every time. It's where JCanete Jan 2017 #41

The rank and file of each party wants something different. That is obvious. Rex Jan 2017 #45

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028531465 n/t. Fix The Stupid Jan 2017 #50

I've been saying that for years. It means they can be dismissed as fools instantly Renew Deal Jan 2017 #51

Ralph Nader started that "memo", and we have been paying for the consequences still_one Jan 2017 #55

Right treestar Jan 2017 #56

Amen. We're sure as hell are paying the price for the actions of the purity police. (nt) Paladin Jan 2017 #57

Of course not. Was that a common opinion here in the past or something? Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #59

No, it was not a common opinion on here.... vi5 Jan 2017 #70

"absolute idiots" ... without doubt etherealtruth Jan 2017 #60

Thank you! we use to get that shit on here about President Cha Jan 2017 #61