President Obama's warning about automation.

[JCanete]

23. unless you can demonstrate that language in the thing would have done something other than

made us feel good, then it wasn't a good that the perfect was getting in the way of. It was just cover.

And we made China. We created that. They are a horrible polluter, and our way of life is even worse on the environment, even if our air and our rivers are better here at home. This deal might have hurt China's choke-hold on certain things, again, a dynamic we created because all we cared about was helping to make our corporations a boat load of money. It had nothing to do with lifting up the Chinese worker.

Your logic about tariffs could be applied to taxes at home. Reducing taxes on corporations frees up revenue for "small businesses" right?
The degree to which it supports big business is just so much more staggering. A small business may suddenly have competition in a market he didn't previously, because now that big corporation got such a huge tax cut that it can put even more into advertising, or undercut its competition far easier after expanding its reach into that small business's locality or niche. As you say, we have to look at history right? Well, when it comes to small businesses, what trends have you actually been seeing ? Do you really truly believe that small businesses are the ones who win from lower tariffs?

Fareed kicks off his argument with a lot of rhetoric that goes to the kind of racism and mistrust that might make attacking the TPP alluring to somebody like Trump. But that isn't the issue we have with the TPP on the left, and mixing that into the conversation is not helpful if he wants to refute the strongest criticisms rather than the lowest hanging fruit. Again, Fareed is pointing out that the poor displaced workers in this nation have to spend their money in places like Walmart, and that we would be hurting them if we didn't support trade deals that made products cheaper. Why can't you see that for the fallacious argument that it is? He uses one single product tariff as evidence...a tariff that was as disinterested in environmental costs as Fareed's own methodology. He is entirely externalizing the long-term costs. In fact, doing a search, he doesn't mention environment or pollution at any point. Also, wow...saying "if we applied tariffs to 1...1 country wtf...that wouldn't stop businesses from going to other countries. Well no shit Sherlock. How disingenuous can you get?

I don't think liberals are actually in opposition to trade agreements...we just haven't seen one we liked. And that isn't because we want perfect, it's because we think that as written, they are the enemy of the good.