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Showing Original Post only (View all)On punching Nazis [View all]
Ok this thing going around seemingly in some Left wing circles about punching Nazis complete with a mock decision tree advocating the practice... If the person you've identified as a Nazi is planning something, let the cops know. If they are engaged in violence, fight back. Otherwise, advocating offensive violence not only damages your cause by shifting attention to you and not your message but is also inconsistent with our laws, which in the US is the primary barrier to real fascism. Individuals have free speech rights, thinking deplorable things is not unlawful, and if they plan or act, Due Process is required, in a court. So no, it's not ok. It's assault.
"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral,
begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy.
Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it.
Through violence you may murder the liar,
but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth.
Through violence you may murder the hater,
but you do not murder hate.
In fact, violence merely increases hate.
So it goes.
Returning violence for violence multiplies violence,
adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars."
Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Backstory:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/21/us/politics/richard-spencer-punched-attack.html
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You think they don't want this reaction? This gives them more exposure, not less. And it gives them
JCanete
Jan 2017
#9
Sorry, not going to waste time sorting out the good Nazi's from the bad ones.
LuvLoogie
Jan 2017
#12
Yes, its a truly bad path to go down. For that matter, this shit makes them into martyrs in their
JCanete
Jan 2017
#8
You are totally missing the point. Nobody is like.."wait and see..maybe they aren't so bad..."
JCanete
Jan 2017
#19
there's no logic in thinking fear is going to deescalate racism and violence. Fear is a huge fucking
JCanete
Jan 2017
#20
I can understand that response, given that actually attempting to answer my question might cause you
JCanete
Jan 2017
#23
Well it's about time somebody took a stand and said that. Whew..I can just feel the paradigm
JCanete
Jan 2017
#26
because that's justice even if it doesn't actually help, or because it's justice AND it will
JCanete
Jan 2017
#74
I totally agree with you. That doesn't answer the question I asked you. Is there something about it
JCanete
Jan 2017
#77
This is worth thinking about. I don't have anything intelligent to say on the fly,
JCanete
Jan 2017
#120
It's not about being all hippy though. This is clearly an impossible conversation to have at
JCanete
Jan 2017
#61
I don't really mind, but it's dangerous if punchers don't have all the facts.
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#36
Yes. I was in the ER for a few hours and given back the same clothes...
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#39
My only family are siblings, and an elderly mother at that time who was very ill.
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#44
I didn't need to tell her. It just came out of my mouth while I described...
Buckeye_Democrat
Jan 2017
#46
Sorry, but my grandfather fought the nazis and I'll do the same if I get the chance.
NightWatcher
Jan 2017
#41
The NAZIS killed 20,000, 000 people. They made the Klan look like pikers.
DemocratSinceBirth
Jan 2017
#57
This is good for them, the way protesters getting maced was good for the Occupy movement.
JCanete
Jan 2017
#72
Cool! So we can punch people on the street, so long as we can properly identify them?
sl8
Jan 2017
#90
We are wasting time worrying about Richard Spencer! DU is not advocating violence
anneboleyn
Jan 2017
#89