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JCanete

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20. there's no logic in thinking fear is going to deescalate racism and violence. Fear is a huge fucking

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 05:12 AM

Jan 2017

root of that...most of it entirely irrational and based upon lies. You want to help to give them narratives based upon truth. It won't matter when they're using this stuff who actually started it and who the promoters of hate are versus the people fighting for equality...It will matter that they can point to people who want to commit violence upon their "benign" cause. This is the kind of stuff people recruit with.

Tell you what though, Martin Luther King Jr. knew what the world was like. He knew that his life was always in danger from people who had hate in their hearts. This thread was opened with a post quoting him. He knew who Nazis were. He knew who the KKK were. It would be hard to call him naive under the circumstances . Were his words wrong?

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On punching Nazis [View all] usregimechange Jan 2017 OP

Respect True Dough Jan 2017 #1

There were laws in Germany and Alabama when they burned lynched and murdered. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #2

Who is they? usregimechange Jan 2017 #3

In fact... usregimechange Jan 2017 #4

Who is they? Who do you think? kcr Jan 2017 #5

That what didn't happen? usregimechange Jan 2017 #6

Uh, the lynchings and murders the "they" did that you're asking about? n/t kcr Jan 2017 #28

Think about how that gets applied usregimechange Jan 2017 #121

Their whole premise is planned and acted upon violence. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #7

You think they don't want this reaction? This gives them more exposure, not less. And it gives them JCanete Jan 2017 #9

I don't care if Spencer gets punched everytime he shows his face in public. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #11

THANK YOU! Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #13

Problem is the right can effect laws and actions that harm millions Eliot Rosewater Jan 2017 #51

These people are already afraid of everything NCDem777 Jan 2017 #111

Who's premise? They are guilty as a group? usregimechange Jan 2017 #10

Sorry, not going to waste time sorting out the good Nazi's from the bad ones. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #12

If you allow an exception for assault don't you sort of have to? usregimechange Jan 2017 #99

do you want to know what my grandfathers did to Nazis in world war 2? stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #32

Yes, its a truly bad path to go down. For that matter, this shit makes them into martyrs in their JCanete Jan 2017 #8

Fuck that. We already have the example of Hitler. It happened. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #15

No convictions for unspecified "theys" usregimechange Jan 2017 #16

also check out my sig line usregimechange Jan 2017 #17

Getting punched in the face because you're a racist asshole is not tyranny. LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #18

You are totally missing the point. Nobody is like.."wait and see..maybe they aren't so bad..." JCanete Jan 2017 #19

Some do question it. "Who is theeeey?" kcr Jan 2017 #29

Suppose I think you are a Nazi, or someone else does usregimechange Jan 2017 #100

Making racists afraid again. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #14

there's no logic in thinking fear is going to deescalate racism and violence. Fear is a huge fucking JCanete Jan 2017 #20

Um. FUCK NAZIS. Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #21

I can understand that response, given that actually attempting to answer my question might cause you JCanete Jan 2017 #23

Oh hey I forgot to tell you - Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #24

Well it's about time somebody took a stand and said that. Whew..I can just feel the paradigm JCanete Jan 2017 #26

They need punching bravenak Jan 2017 #48

because that's justice even if it doesn't actually help, or because it's justice AND it will JCanete Jan 2017 #74

Being a nazi is an act of violence bravenak Jan 2017 #76

I totally agree with you. That doesn't answer the question I asked you. Is there something about it JCanete Jan 2017 #77

After what they did last time, we need to do preemptive strikes bravenak Jan 2017 #78

You know what? wildeyed Jan 2017 #96

FUCK NAZIS. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #50

after my grandfather saw the first concentration camps in world war 2. stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #35

MLK, Gandhi and other pacifists didn't succeed because of non-violence NCDem777 Jan 2017 #110

This is worth thinking about. I don't have anything intelligent to say on the fly, JCanete Jan 2017 #120

For every racist who is intimidated MountCleaners Jan 2017 #55

Woody makes a good point.... TeamPooka Jan 2017 #22

Yup! mattclearing Jan 2017 #27

Distraction JustAnotherGen Jan 2017 #25

Initiating violence against a Trump support seems a good way to get shot Amishman Jan 2017 #30

Oh wow, a game of "I'm more liberal than you!" Can I play too? FSogol Jan 2017 #31

It's not about being all hippy though. This is clearly an impossible conversation to have at JCanete Jan 2017 #61

Thank you for the reasonable post. mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2017 #33

Leave the Nazis alone! RandiFan1290 Jan 2017 #34

I don't really mind, but it's dangerous if punchers don't have all the facts. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #36

seems legit ! covered in dried blood after the hospital stay? stonecutter357 Jan 2017 #37

! RandiFan1290 Jan 2017 #38

Huh? Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #40

Yes. I was in the ER for a few hours and given back the same clothes... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #39

There was no one you could call to get you a change of clothes? kcr Jan 2017 #42

My only family are siblings, and an elderly mother at that time who was very ill. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #44

Wow. Lots of details. kcr Jan 2017 #45

I didn't need to tell her. It just came out of my mouth while I described... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #46

Sorry, but my grandfather fought the nazis and I'll do the same if I get the chance. NightWatcher Jan 2017 #41

Due process?? Yeah right. retread Jan 2017 #43

I fully support the laws against punching people... Iggo Jan 2017 #47

How did Dr. King get dragged into a discussion about NAZIS? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #49

The Ku Klux Klan killed people too MountCleaners Jan 2017 #53

The NAZIS killed 20,000, 000 people. They made the Klan look like pikers. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #57

Dr. King would never punch a Nazi in the street MountCleaners Jan 2017 #60

Dr. King has nothing to do with Nazis? MountCleaners Jan 2017 #62

George Lincoln Rockewell was a toy NAZI. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #63

A toy Nazi? MountCleaners Jan 2017 #65

Spencer and Rockwell are wannabe NAZIS. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #68

You're changing the subject MountCleaners Jan 2017 #70

SMH DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #71

Give me a break MountCleaners Jan 2017 #79

"A good name is better than precious ointment..."-Ecclesiastes 7:1 DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2017 #80

Also this - in Richard Spencer's own words MountCleaners Jan 2017 #64

I am with Andrew Ti on this The Polack MSgt Jan 2017 #52

Thank you MountCleaners Jan 2017 #54

I wonder it all the brave folks sarisataka Jan 2017 #56

They won't be surprised by that. They welcome that fight I think. JCanete Jan 2017 #75

Nazis already do that samir.g Jan 2017 #82

Nazis punch first by identifying as nazis bravenak Jan 2017 #86

It is wrong to hit people Nevernose Jan 2017 #58

And this solves the problem of racism and fascism how? MountCleaners Jan 2017 #59

This is good for them, the way protesters getting maced was good for the Occupy movement. JCanete Jan 2017 #72

In WWII, we shot Nazis FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #66

What about all of the racists and fascists MountCleaners Jan 2017 #67

We're not going to shoot any of them FiveGoodMen Jan 2017 #69

What if we change the law... sarisataka Jan 2017 #73

This whole thread just proves my point zipplewrath Jan 2017 #81

Punching is a start samir.g Jan 2017 #83

How the hell did we get here? Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #84

Sucker punching a guy being interviewed on the street is a cowardly act Bonx Jan 2017 #85

Still way down the scale compared to being a Nazi Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #87

Being a Nazi while relying on a civil democratic society to protect you Idoru Jan 2017 #88

Cool! So we can punch people on the street, so long as we can properly identify them? sl8 Jan 2017 #90

Other than Nazis... Dr. Strange Jan 2017 #93

People who advocate genocide and idolize nazis in public might get punched. wildeyed Jan 2017 #95

Of course. Also, people who worship the wrong god might get punched. sl8 Jan 2017 #107

False equivalencies. wildeyed Jan 2017 #112

I don't want to appease neo-Nazis, nor do I want to appease you. sl8 Jan 2017 #117

lol wildeyed Jan 2017 #118

Nice strawman... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #119

We are wasting time worrying about Richard Spencer! DU is not advocating violence anneboleyn Jan 2017 #89

And there are no American tanks in Baghdad. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2017 #92

Well said. Donald Ian Rankin Jan 2017 #91

Nah, he needed punching. wildeyed Jan 2017 #94

A better question would be wildeyed Jan 2017 #97

Ever see MLK punching them? usregimechange Jan 2017 #103

Oh please! wildeyed Jan 2017 #108

Mother of God. nini Jan 2017 #98

"NUTS" orangecrush Jan 2017 #101

This is why we fail. Adrahil Jan 2017 #102

. RandySF Jan 2017 #104

... orangecrush Jan 2017 #105

I disagree. NCDem777 Jan 2017 #106

Churchill would have punched the fledgling Nazi too. wildeyed Jan 2017 #113

If only these poor souls were just punched in the jaw. RandySF Jan 2017 #109

... orangecrush Jan 2017 #114

I'm going to start Krav Maga lessons to better prepare wildeyed Jan 2017 #115

Let me just remind everyone what we've seen over the last couple years NCDem777 Jan 2017 #116