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JHan

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24. I agree with most of your points except:

Wed Jan 25, 2017, 01:20 PM

Jan 2017

"It is very possibly true that Obama agreed to both make HRC SoS and his preferred successor to get support of both Clintons in 2008 and 2012"

that's not true. She wanted to return to the senate and aides from both the Clinton and Obama camp were against the idea of her being SoS.

Obama was a keen strategist, probably respected her, maybe felt she might primary him in 2012, and decided to bring her into cabinet. Everything I've read- that is credible- suggests Hillary wanted to just return to the Senate and become a Ted Kennedy type figure for Democrats.

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Whatever helps you sleep at night. nt JTFrog Jan 2017 #20

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What is even meant by "the Democrats forced Hillary on us"? karynnj Jan 2017 #21

I agree with most of your points except: JHan Jan 2017 #24

I don't think HRC was really eager to return to the Senate karynnj Jan 2017 #36

Biographies I've read and accounts from those close to her suggest that she very much wanted to.. JHan Jan 2017 #40

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