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manicraven

(901 posts)
23. My brother is one of them.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:31 AM
Jan 2017

His number one reason that he voted for tRump is because he thought he paid too much in taxes. This is a person whose quarterly bonus is more than my entire income for three years, and I'm not exaggerating. He is married to a minority, but he ignores the glaring racism on the right and actually would send me racist cartoons about President Obama until we got into a huge fight and then he backed off. He was an avid Glenn Beck fan for years, but he dumped him. I know he watches Fox "News." I don't think he cares about the social safety net whatsoever as he's socked away over a million for his retirement, and he doesn't care if I lose Social Security either and am literally poor and living under a bridge. He doesn't actually believe that will happen to me, though, but if I have nothing, then it was my own fault. Never mind that my career is being overtaken by offshoring to India and especially technology and that has eroded/eliminated all benefits, including 401(k), etc., and it takes literally everything I have to just pay my bills and stay afloat, and I'm too close to retirement to be making an investment into more college or training. He's also very bitter that people rely on welfare and food stamps, though his own daughter did for several years, but he does not care for her at all (never has taken to her). His attitude and the statements right out of his mouth are that he works harder than all of us that aren't making it. Yes, he did work extremely hard for years, but he doesn't understand that he was very, very lucky to find the position he did and that as a woman, I'm still paid less and that technology is overtaking my career and also that I, too, work very hard and am held to extremely high standards on my job. Those aren't excuses; it's the reality of the situation.

Anyway, I've tried to understand the world through his eyes, but I can't. Even if I earned his income, I know I would not be as selfish and judgmental as he is, and it saddens me that he has this attitude, which I find appalling, but I think it's very commonly found on the right. It's also strange that we could be raised by the same parents, in the same environment, etc., and become so extremely different. I love my brother as we have a shared past and are just 2 years apart, etc., but there's a big wedge between us now.

I thank Fox News and all the right-wing hate radio and programs that greatly distort or flat-out lie for a lot of this because if they weren't around, if we just watched Walter Cronkite, etc., like in the past, I think he wouldn't have gone off the rails like he did. It's the only explanation I can find for how he became so cold and selfish.

As far as what would make him turn against tRump and the GOP, only another great depression might, and then I'm not sure. He's completely brainwashed to the point that he doesn't feel uncomfortable with even tRump and the GOP's racism when his own wife and kids are not Caucasian and his son recently came out as gay. It mostly comes down to taxes, though, and how he believes the Democrats raise taxes. Oh, and he can't believe I'm an atheist either as he's a Christian and finds that terribly shocking, even weird, and that I'm not on board with tRump's anti-Muslim stance.

Anyway, there's no reaching my brother, and I feel he's typical.

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If losing their Social Security and Medicare doesn't bother them, then you are right, nothing will still_one Jan 2017 #1
They haven't lost those things yet. Mariana Jan 2017 #47
Trump promised to preserve those marylandblue Jan 2017 #53
That's a big IF. Mariana Jan 2017 #56
Can't do it. fmdaddio Jan 2017 #2
"Think like a Trump supporter" Dave Starsky Jan 2017 #5
Too foreign to me... can't be done. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2017 #31
Can't either El Mimbreno Jan 2017 #9
Among other things, they want to see someone stick to the "elites" marylandblue Jan 2017 #3
We can't give them any policies because republicans are in power. In case you didn't notice. LisaL Jan 2017 #6
But their concerns are fictitious. tazkcmo Jan 2017 #38
First of all, you'd have a hard time explaining to them what a "policy" is. Dave Starsky Jan 2017 #40
We can suggest ideas that will help them marylandblue Jan 2017 #55
They also really believe Putin is a good guy helping the cause dalton99a Jan 2017 #4
Shame and ridicule work with them...I wish it weren't so LaydeeBug Jan 2017 #7
Deplorable Johnny2X2X Jan 2017 #8
Our objections are simply categorized as "partisan behavior" Mr. Ected Jan 2017 #10
Worse winetourdriver01 Jan 2017 #13
Yup Johnny2X2X Jan 2017 #15
The only way to turn an Afrikaner nationalist wellst0nev0ter Jan 2017 #11
kind of what I was thinking... anarch Jan 2017 #28
Nope not even for a nano second onecaliberal Jan 2017 #12
"In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king." Jim__ Jan 2017 #14
I cant. easttexaslefty Jan 2017 #16
The only way is for trump to be completely humiliated LuvLoogie Jan 2017 #17
Ain't gonna happen - short of maybe a vast war that trump clearly starts jmg257 Jan 2017 #18
How can I think like a Trump supporter when they DON'T. Barack_America Jan 2017 #19
They won't care unless he affects THEM or their loved ones. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #20
What if we had another Katrina-like event in the south, pnwmom Jan 2017 #21
No. Bush and the GOP philosophy of defunding government were not blamed for guillaumeb Jan 2017 #27
no, indeed, somehow Obama is blamed... anarch Jan 2017 #30
President Obama is also blamed for the Iraq war, guillaumeb Jan 2017 #32
What if the people who were trapped and dying on TV were mostly white? n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #37
That would be different. guillaumeb Jan 2017 #39
I'm not sure if that would matter either. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #41
They would conclude those dying Runningdawg Jan 2017 #50
this is the warped fucked up image we need to overcome. good luck Takket Jan 2017 #22
My brother is one of them. manicraven Jan 2017 #23
Ugh, that's too bad. My niece used to be married to a man like that. Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #24
Glad your niece is out of the situation. I could never be married to someone like my brother. manicraven Jan 2017 #42
It's really odd to me too. Some people really think that they earned everything... Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #43
Oh Boy! You put up the MFKER I love to hate! coco22 Jan 2017 #57
Santelli? Yes, he enraged me too! Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #59
He talked his big shit while leading his TEABAGGERS with lies.. coco22 Jan 2017 #60
And probably the main difference that has boosted his career? Being a white man who was willing to bettyellen Jan 2017 #65
Democrats need to offer them something better. C_U_L8R Jan 2017 #25
all else being equal, if both sides had the same compelling economic promise anarch Jan 2017 #33
Absolutely. And we've gotta offer something better. C_U_L8R Jan 2017 #35
the idea that he is a loser? treestar Jan 2017 #26
It will probably require tanking the economy... which will probably happen under him. n/t Buckeye_Democrat Jan 2017 #29
lol tazkcmo Jan 2017 #34
I live in the most liberal part of CA marlakay Jan 2017 #36
The impression I get is that many are thinking of jobs... CBHagman Jan 2017 #44
Why? rusty fender Jan 2017 #45
Thanks a lot! I sat for a moment and thought like a Trashpot follower and now I have a splitting TrekLuver Jan 2017 #46
Exactly, a lot of moderates went for Trump marylandblue Jan 2017 #52
Look, you can't save your clueless neighbors. Blue_true Jan 2017 #48
Forget it, I tried to think like a Trump supporter Blue_true Jan 2017 #49
Short of a video showing him Phoenix61 Jan 2017 #51
We can beat him next time without Trump supportered because they are just as evil as he is. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #54
46% of us voted for Hillary. dawg Jan 2017 #58
I have only met 3 people since Election Day that admitted they voted for Hillary Mr. Ected Jan 2017 #63
I'm in rural Georgia. dawg Jan 2017 #64
How do they look at Trump and not see a mentally unstable clown? ecstatic Jan 2017 #61
He promised them jobs. If those azmom Jan 2017 #62
A Health Care System Collapse. Motown_Johnny Jan 2017 #66
Sadly I think it's going to be when the nukes are launched nt maryellen99 Jan 2017 #69
Are any of them hunters or fishermen? Burn them to their cores and have fun doing it. ffr Jan 2017 #67
The only way that I'm able to understand tRump supporters is by assessing them using psychological VespertineIconoclast Jan 2017 #68
They'll never be convinced. Sadly they are a lost cause. underpants Jan 2017 #70
Honestly, they'll bail on him whenever he starts looking weak. dawg Jan 2017 #71
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