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politicat

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26. So... the developmental view of Cluster B is a fault around age 3.
Sat Jan 28, 2017, 11:23 PM
Jan 2017

Children at that age are deeply solipsistic -- they are the center of the universe. Which is fine, and good, because during language acquisition and early socialization, they need to be learning language and recognizing that they're unified beings. The problem is when someone gets stuck there. A trauma can do it, and sometimes that trauma isn't even significant enough to register for others. The birth of a sibling can do it because it takes away a caregiver's attention. But not always.

For the narcissist, they're not actually convinced the rest of us exist. And if we do, we don't exist the same way they do. They have a faulty theory of mind and cannot shift perspective. We're non-player characters in their single-player game -- we exist to give them rewards and to serve as targets. When we speak back, it's as offensive and unexpected as the little green army men objecting to being buried in the sandbox. But narcissism is also born in that failure of theory of mind, because a narcissist cannot generate their own self-approval. They have to seek it from others, and they're constantly being torn between wanting approval from the toys and not believing the toys have the right to comment.

So adding in sadism and aggression and antisocial behavior? It means they're even less convinced we're real, and have decided affirmatively that the toys aren't worth having, even for approval. That's why they're dangerous.

(And this is absolutely a 40K foot view, not the details.)

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Wikipedia entry. Crunchy Frog Jan 2017 #1
Ouch!! bucolic_frolic Jan 2017 #19
So... the developmental view of Cluster B is a fault around age 3. politicat Jan 2017 #26
yep starshine00 Jan 2017 #29
that pretty much was his campaign They_Live Jan 2017 #34
Right. Neither NPD nor the malignant version can be treated with drugs. pnwmom Jan 2017 #2
I doubt Dr Gartner made that distinction. That reads like a reporter's interpretation. politicat Jan 2017 #3
I don't blame professionals who are not making this diagnosis. pnwmom Jan 2017 #4
Thanks. politicat Jan 2017 #11
My son's psychiatrist showed me the journal Ilsa Jan 2017 #13
So how does this type usually Blue_Roses Jan 2017 #7
... They tend to try, yeah. politicat Jan 2017 #9
I have had a few garden variety narcissists in my life. pnwmom Jan 2017 #16
This is so interesting... Blue_Roses Jan 2017 #17
If I worked for theSecret Service, I would... 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #35
They destroy everything in their path NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #23
It must drive every mental health care professional Control-Z Jan 2017 #10
It makes us question ourselves a lot. politicat Jan 2017 #12
Malignant narcissism defined BainsBane Jan 2017 #5
The Trump "movement" is a political cult NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #6
Can we kick this to high Olympus, please?!1 UTUSN Jan 2017 #8
K&R... spanone Jan 2017 #14
Oh my god is it metastasizing?? grantcart Jan 2017 #15
I laughed! Thank you! politicat Jan 2017 #18
Shit - you too? calimary Jan 2017 #28
Oh, yeah. I want root-rooter to come out and drill my face. politicat Jan 2017 #40
That's what I thought and have posted about it a few times. Here's one thread I did KewlKat Jan 2017 #20
Yes. And I've been really happy to see them. politicat Jan 2017 #21
I am bookmarking this Blue_Roses Jan 2017 #24
I'm just going to leave this here... Hugin Jan 2017 #22
This video analysis about Trump is spot on NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #25
Oh, him. politicat Jan 2017 #30
It should not be surprising that he's manipulative...he is about as severe a narcissist as they come NoGoodNamesLeft Jan 2017 #31
If he could watch over... 3catwoman3 Jan 2017 #37
I called this months ago starshine00 Jan 2017 #27
The funny thing is? Sociopaths can be easier to deal with because they understand rules. politicat Jan 2017 #33
the spectrum of sociopathy is very wide starshine00 Jan 2017 #38
K&R smirkymonkey Jan 2017 #32
When Trump said "Lock her up", he was referring to himself. He belongs in prison. dalton99a Jan 2017 #36
Rep Tim Murphy is a practicing psychologist DeminPennswoods Jan 2017 #39
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