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Drunken Irishman

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98. And you don't get those 'traditional Democratic values'...

Mon Jun 25, 2012, 05:10 PM

Jun 2012

Because you sit there and whine and stomp your feet whenever a candidate doesn't do one thing you don't like. Then you sit back and say, "I'M NOT VOTING!" or "I'M VOTING NADER!" and then bitch when, in eight years, the Republican president has destroyed even more 'liberal values' that you supposedly fought so hard for.

Pop quiz: In the 70s and 80s, how much did Democratic values get you? Between the late 60s and early 90s, what exactly did liberals accomplish? Because that era, when we were throwing up token liberals like McGovern and Mondale and Dukakis, we were getting our teeth kicked in...all the while Republicans were undoing everything we gained out of the early 20th Century.

Spare me the lecture. If liberals were serious about pushing for Democratic values, they would elect Democrats, constantly, and build a foundation for their movement. But they don't. Many don't vote. Many vote third party and then whine when everything they believe in is stripped away by REPUBLICANS.

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5 Signs the United States Is Undergoing a Coup - James Fallows [View all] NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 OP

And some of us have said this is going on for a few years nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #1

DU had changed OverseaVisitor Jun 2012 #63

Hey, welcome back! Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #113

It had been like OverseaVisitor Jun 2012 #117

But who was laughing? probably the same people who attacked Kucinich for standing up to them... Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #66

Ridicule and propaganda is a cheap tool of oppressors upi402 Jun 2012 #127

Yup, and it all started with... joycejnr Jun 2012 #100

Cold... for now villager Jun 2012 #110

Many Of Us Were Ridiculed For Making These Points About The Threat That Is The Right cantbeserious Jun 2012 #2

I've been beaten up for saying something like this years ago......... PDJane Jun 2012 #3

unfortunately no one is cleaning up the mess ldf Jun 2012 #10

And my all-time favorite... Raster Jun 2012 #11

some day that powder, surely the world's driest, will end up on ebay. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #17

Not ebay, burned off as fireworks for their victory celebration JHB Jun 2012 #48

yup Skittles Jun 2012 #12

I was harrassed and ridiculed agent46 Jun 2012 #16

The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away forever. TeamPooka Jun 2012 #4

Lucas was warning us. freshwest Jun 2012 #83

Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Karen Ellis Jun 2012 #5

Sign 6. OnyxCollie Jun 2012 #6

+1 -nt CrispyQ Jun 2012 #65

Ding ding ding.... n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #85

Like the Washington Generals. Octafish Jun 2012 #99

Once upon a time... Javaman Jun 2012 #7

Nearly everything that Nixon was accused of is now legal or commonplace. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #8

Some people take that as progress, not as the exception n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #43

It's horrible. And much of the change is due to Cheney's machinations. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #46

It didn't help that the left was divided in 2000. libinnyandia Jun 2012 #9

The left was no where near divided as painted to be. Hyperbole and negative PR. Raster Jun 2012 #14

exactly. n/t NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #15

It doesn't matter. They were divided enough... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #22

You nailed it. Thank you. ancianita Jun 2012 #28

some of that apathy from the dem side came from the bbgrunt Jun 2012 #31

And that's why a great deal of liberals cut their noses off to spite their face... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #33

....and so we have an endless chicken and egg blame game. nt bbgrunt Jun 2012 #38

It's not, tho... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #39

IMO, voting should be mandatory. n/t dotymed Jun 2012 #77

Bush did not 'win' in 2000. Bush was not 'elected' in 2000. Bush coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #53

x2. And I also voted for Gore. AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #64

+1000 You need to repeat this post as an OP so more people can see it! LongTomH Jun 2012 #82

IMO This thread should be plastered to lamp post on every street corner clang1 Jun 2012 #90

seems to me the nose cutting is coming from the sensible centrist wing of the party.. frylock Jun 2012 #89

This 'centrist' wing in most other countries clang1 Jun 2012 #92

You alienate yourself by not voting or voting third party... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #94

bend over backwards?! that's fucking rich.. frylock Jun 2012 #95

And you don't get those 'traditional Democratic values'... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #98

Completely ridiculous to say this and your wrong clang1 Jun 2012 #104

I'm wrong? Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #105

You do not see the forest for the trees clang1 Jun 2012 #106

Right. Why should we hold people responsible for the way they vote/don't vote... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #108

NOT EVERYONE ONE WANTS ALL YOUR CANDIDATES. Don't you get that! clang1 Jun 2012 #109

I know they don't. Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #111

the nader blamers are just like birthers in my book.. frylock Jun 2012 #136

you just keep doing what you're doing and enjoy your little right-wing party.. frylock Jun 2012 #135

Well ..... clang1 Jun 2012 #103

Since Oregon made vote by mail the system of the state their turn-out has been exceptional Bandit Jun 2012 #75

68 the last time Americans gave a damn ... CRH Jun 2012 #107

Nader ran a campaign that divided the left. Enough people voted for him to make possible the libinnyandia Jun 2012 #55

Nader voters were heavily outnumbered by Democrats who voted for Bush. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #114

Nader's numbers in Florida and New Hampshire made the difference. If Gore had carried NH, he libinnyandia Jun 2012 #115

Then Gore should have sought out the votes of the left, which he didn't. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #116

When you have a man like Nader telling people not to vote for Gore, then Nader shares some libinnyandia Jun 2012 #122

Why should Nader tell his voters to vote for his opponent? Did Gore tell his to vote for Nader? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #129

In a perfect world what happened here in 2000 would not happen. There are tremendous diffrences libinnyandia Jun 2012 #131

Do you feel "good" when voting for "not as bad"? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2012 #133

I feel good when "not as bad" defeats evil. A Gore administration would have been much better libinnyandia Jun 2012 #134

Seems 99% of the people here just still are not getting it clang1 Jun 2012 #132

"divided in 2000".... bvar22 Jun 2012 #80

But if we hold up signs and shout loud enough, they might go away. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jun 2012 #13

Yeah. That 'll work. It's working even now. NOT. n/t loudsue Jun 2012 #18

We've all been witness to a slow motion coup that started with the mugging of TheDebbieDee Jun 2012 #19

I told people back in 2000 that is was a coup eztalker2 Jun 2012 #20

welcome to DU! NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #21

Thanks... eztalker2 Jun 2012 #29

Neither am I - but it is the 2004 coup that sent me to DU. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #58

Welcome to DU, eztalker2! kdmorris Jun 2012 #49

I feel very angry about it too. Quantess Jun 2012 #59

Thanks for joining us, I think the same thing Tumbulu Jun 2012 #119

Roberts and Alito were put on the court because they were committed FASCISTS. Bush family's NWO blm Jun 2012 #23

Democrats did nothing to stop their appointmenst. Now the Republicans wont permit the rhett o rick Jun 2012 #24

Kerry did launch a filibuster - Schumer and Clinton argued against it in caucus, then blm Jun 2012 #60

If my memory serves me, my senator Patti Murry responded to my rhett o rick Jun 2012 #81

The author left out 2 other key pieces of their take over: Dustlawyer Jun 2012 #25

Didn't the McDonald's lady get a reduced settlement anyway? Blanks Jun 2012 #56

Considering that Roberts as an attorney went to Florida and quietly advised Jeb Bush on the recount Samantha Jun 2012 #26

"Once on the bench, for life" - They can be impeached (House) and removed davidwparker Jun 2012 #27

See where we are at with 'Checks and balances' n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #79

The founding fathers never planned for stolen elections. pa28 Jun 2012 #30

Another sign? Here's an important one. How can the general public be opposed to wage-lowering, AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #32

Health care would have been a better example clang1 Jun 2012 #40

A better example of what exactly? AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #42

You'll figure it out n/t clang1 Jun 2012 #45

I wonder if Quantess Jun 2012 #61

+1 clang1 Jun 2012 #97

Did this "Coup" end with the election of Obama? donheld Jun 2012 #34

Nope everything PROGRESSES when you don't stop things clang1 Jun 2012 #41

I'd call it a "coup" but not the way we traditionally think of it. pa28 Jun 2012 #44

I agree with you 100%. It is the polarization, clang1 Jun 2012 #128

No one should even need to read an article like this to see clang1 Jun 2012 #35

The coup was started in 2000 with Bush V. Gore. Initech Jun 2012 #36

Yeah.. Planning began well before, but yeah clang1 Jun 2012 #37

The billionaire class in society have solidified themselves as the real terrorists in this country. Initech Jun 2012 #73

The Coup Began With The Powell Memo In 1971 cantbeserious Jun 2012 #102

No, it started November 22, 1963 dflprincess Jun 2012 #118

agreed!!! Dan Jun 2012 #124

Great post/information - thanks. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #125

K&R. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #47

I found another sign of a coup when I clicked on the link to the article bupkus Jun 2012 #50

Our political system sulphurdunn Jun 2012 #51

"Is undergoing"? - Fallows' use of present progressive belies the coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #52

K&R raouldukelives Jun 2012 #54

Massive amt of money and a public that is anesthetized by the TV - and apathy. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #57

The GOP along with their supporters operates with information like the clang1 Jun 2012 #67

Don't forget all the voter suppression and union busting at the state level. moondust Jun 2012 #62

Just why is it they so utterly RABID when it comes to those voting machines clang1 Jun 2012 #71

none of this would be possible without complicity of the corporate media, using our public airwaves Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #68

The major media in this country are frankly little more than clang1 Jun 2012 #87

I knew it was a coup when it happened lunatica Jun 2012 #69

yes, then they were so brazen as to put their PNAC plans on a website for all to read Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #70

Yes. The perfect excuse for the PNAC agenda lunatica Jun 2012 #72

More like "underwent a coup" Doctor_J Jun 2012 #74

I knew it when the second plane hit. PNAC confirmed it. nt valerief Jun 2012 #76

"Underwent" a coup, since it has already happened... mother earth Jun 2012 #78

k&r n/t RainDog Jun 2012 #84

I'm not laughing. You could see it happen during 2000. southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #86

We are living through & witnesses to what will go down in history as the destruction of the U.S. tpsbmam Jun 2012 #88

Personally, I think that RoccoR5955 Jun 2012 #91

Dick Cheney's wife is writing history books Ghost of Huey Long Jun 2012 #93

They've already done it with Reagan Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2012 #112

There are days I believe this country is dying 47of74 Jun 2012 #96

HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #101

There appears to be a huge consensus that it's all over... joycejnr Jun 2012 #120

what indeed? I think all of us who are aware have much to ponder - and even more to do. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #121

That was the point of Occupy Wall Street. Quantess Jun 2012 #130

Great Read Tsiyu Jun 2012 #123

Fallows has a habbit upi402 Jun 2012 #126