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127. They have been doing that here in Europe for 50 years

Mon Jan 30, 2017, 03:23 AM

Jan 2017

The French and the West German left were both "shocked" (except for the ones who knew all along) to find, after the dissolution of East Germany and then the Soviet Union, to see Stasi and KGB files laying out how they financed and supported various movements of the western European left to do their bidding.

French Communist Party boss Georges Marchais, an orthodox Stalinist who was rich and lived in a fancy mansion, was whining about "betrayal" after the successors to the CPUSSR opened a trove of KGB files on him and the PCF.

More than a few members of the Greens in West Germany were not pleased to find that they had been infiltrated and manipulated by the Stasi, although they did manage to survive, even credibly after several of their more extreme members moved on. Years before, their founders, the idealistic Petra Kelly and her boyfriend, were found murdered in a double shooting that some wanted to be a relationship-driven suicide, but forensics was not able to confirm to any KTU (German CSI) satisfaction.

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Jill Stein got to keep over $4 million from the funds she scammed for her recounts. [View all] pnwmom Jan 2017 OP

No Surprise here larry budwell Jan 2017 #1

Unfortunate HassleCat Jan 2017 #2

PA had too big a margin to qualify in the normal way, no matter who filed it. pnwmom Jan 2017 #3

Sorry keeping the money shows what she is...and never forget she helped elect Trump and is way to Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #131

Hey folks.. FarPoint Jan 2017 #58

Screwed and used HRC, then made her getaway with the loot. democratisphere Jan 2017 #4

The Democrats could run the second coming of Paul Wellstone with Maru Kitteh Jan 2017 #5

Yep. Stein is a tool of the right wing. nt SunSeeker Jan 2017 #6

Russians using far left parties to divide moderates in Europe Chevy Jan 2017 #7

That is a really interesting article -- and quite prescient. Thanks. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #11

This is exactly what is happening here in the US. yardwork Jan 2017 #34

They have been doing that here in Europe for 50 years DFW Jan 2017 #127

Wouldn't that mean that Al Gore and John Kerry had "ties to Russian interests" too? PotatoChip Jan 2017 #130

+1 betsuni Jan 2017 #10

remember that Nader held off supporting Wellstone for a long time in 2002 JI7 Jan 2017 #17

she is dumb AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #8

She isn't dumb if she LET herself get played. pnwmom Jan 2017 #9

Nope. She's dumb like a fox, and she is playing American voters hoping for better. Hekate Jan 2017 #13

she is a fraud and opportunist AlexSFCA Jan 2017 #111

This just makes me sick. The Green Party is not worth diddly squat. I can remember .... Hekate Jan 2017 #12

No, I don't think so. When she was collecting her millions, she always said pnwmom Jan 2017 #14

Jill Stein is a hero. So is Ralph Nader. Your arguments are specious. diva77 Jan 2017 #15

We've known repugs game electronic voting for at least since Bush and the Diebold non-paper... brush Jan 2017 #16

stein lied to the America People.. she is a Liar. Cha Jan 2017 #18

She's an anti-hero. If she'd been serious, she wouldn't have waited till after the PA deadline pnwmom Jan 2017 #19

Excellent post!!! Docreed2003 Jan 2017 #59

In addition, she would spend non voting years Blue_true Jan 2017 #109

Jill Stein stepped in to help computer scientists & election lawyers who couldn't get Hillary to ask diva77 Jan 2017 #115

Hillary knew they couldn't qualify for the PA recount because the margin was too big. pnwmom Jan 2017 #116

Great...more "proof of voter fraud" based on exit polls, along with jmg257 Jan 2017 #32

That article is based on an incredibly stupid premise mythology Jan 2017 #60

No, they are grifters. hunter Jan 2017 #96

Did you forget a sarcasm smiley? Hekate Jan 2017 #114

She is the only candidate that fought for a recount HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #20

She had enough for her recounts with the first $2.5 million she raised, pnwmom Jan 2017 #23

No. Wisconsin alone had a filing fee of $3.5 million. scipan Jan 2017 #100

She could have spent the money she had designated for PA pnwmom Jan 2017 #106

How could $2 million cover the WI $3.5 million filing fee, even if she pulled out of PA? scipan Jan 2017 #107

Her original website request was for $2.5, which would have covered almost all of that. pnwmom Jan 2017 #108

Plenty of us were calling this a shameless cash grab while it was taking place. EL34x4 Jan 2017 #21

Yes indeed oberliner Jan 2017 #25

And yet no one has proven this WAS a "cash grab" and fact she did get recounts going in multiple KittyWampus Jan 2017 #77

I'd rather she has money left than no attempt at recounts and left wondering what could have been. uncle ray Jan 2017 #22

Not me. Desperate Dems just helped to bankroll her 2020 campaign. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #26

Her recount was a scam from the begining. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #30

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2017 #36

She is a liar and a con artist, just like Trump oberliner Jan 2017 #24

Just like Palin atreides1 Jan 2017 #27

I understand why people wanted to believe. Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #28

She flat out scammed people. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #29

I hadn't heard about that. But it sounds like something she'd do. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #31

Her second plea on her website, on day two, she linked directly to two other groups. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #33

Wow. I wonder if those donations had to be reported anywhere. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #37

I took screen grabs of them from her website. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #39

Okay, so I get the anger at the green party. Glamrock Jan 2017 #35

We can't. But maybe we can get purist-leaning Dems to think twice. pnwmom Jan 2017 #38

And, don't get me wrong I agree, but how? Glamrock Jan 2017 #41

I have enough vitriol left in me to include her, too. Maybe I'd feel differently pnwmom Jan 2017 #42

Yeah I get it Glamrock Jan 2017 #48

And yet the OP is about smearing Stein regarding donations for the recount. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #75

At what point do we hold them responsible for their own vote. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #40

Yes -- that's exactly what she did. Because those recounts didn't turn up anything, pnwmom Jan 2017 #43

+1 nt NCTraveler Jan 2017 #46

Again, not saying you're wrong.... Glamrock Jan 2017 #45

Please show me my "furious anger at the GP". NCTraveler Jan 2017 #47

Okay, you didn't personally say that Glamrock Jan 2017 #49

I don't speak for the community. Only myself. NCTraveler Jan 2017 #67

Damn, I wish I could keep it all straight: truebluegreen Jan 2017 #44

My brother and his wife... orwell Jan 2017 #52

Well, at least they learned their lesson. Glamrock Jan 2017 #54

They are assuming they can ever vote again. LisaL Jan 2017 #64

Just out of curiosity, where do they live? truebluegreen Jan 2017 #65

9/11 taught me the same lesson sweetloukillbot Jan 2017 #91

If they live in a swing state, they were really stupid MrPurple Jan 2017 #104

That why it is said of Third Party Candidates: CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #123

Democrats gave her a lot of money under false pretenses oberliner Jan 2017 #53

Hillary endorsed the effort iirc. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #61

Hillary didn't endorse the effort. LisaL Jan 2017 #63

Oh sorry--it was only her campaign team. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #69

Big deal. After Stein started the effort, Hillary's team was going to participate LisaL Jan 2017 #76

Yeah, words mean nothing. As ever. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #94

People here we claiming they were happy to do it, even though some of us tried to warn them. LisaL Jan 2017 #62

Many of our Sensible Pragmatic Centrists here really, really, really QC Jan 2017 #74

Hillary is not a centrist and neither were her supporters here. pnwmom Jan 2017 #83

Post removed Post removed Jan 2017 #128

That graph is a crock, but I'm not surprised that a Green advocate would pnwmom Jan 2017 #139

I am shocked truebluegreen Jan 2017 #137

I'm not going to take the test of this nutty site. See post 139. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #140

You are using the well worn argument that Blue_true Jan 2017 #110

Well-worn argument vs zombie lie truebluegreen Jan 2017 #129

The caliber of Jill Stein's character will be sealed as we watch how the money is spent. SticksnStones Jan 2017 #50

Of course she does ismnotwasm Jan 2017 #51

The date of the end of the period in the report is 11/28/2016 Hokie Jan 2017 #55

Same here. LisaL Jan 2017 #68

Hucksters gotta huck La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #56

Wow, she's right up there with that "I am not a witch" scammer. WTF is her name? catbyte Jan 2017 #57

There is a danger Uponthegears Jan 2017 #66

Why are you repeating Trump's talking points? truebluegreen Jan 2017 #70

He stole my talking point. I recognized this as a scam before he said that. pnwmom Jan 2017 #73

I guess the point is the two of you agree, truebluegreen Jan 2017 #132

If DT said today was Monday, apparently you would feel obligated to disagree. pnwmom Jan 2017 #134

Nope, I wouldn't. truebluegreen Jan 2017 #135

Just demonstrating your logic. And maybe you should look up pnwmom Jan 2017 #136

stein voters really didn't mind a trump victory and stein is more than happy to keep the money beachbum bob Jan 2017 #71

Why do you twist the issue by including Stein's votes? That has NOTHING to do with the recount. KittyWampus Jan 2017 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author LisaL Jan 2017 #79

No, she didn't. No recount occurred in PA, so she kept the $2 mil she had raised pnwmom Jan 2017 #81

What's really sad is that Democrats were so desperate for SOMEONE to fight this stolen election Tatiana Jan 2017 #78

Gore lost by less than a 1,000 (if he lost at all). LisaL Jan 2017 #80

I appreciate your response. Al Gore didn't lose. Jeb rigged the Florida results for his brother. Tatiana Jan 2017 #87

There was so many issues with FL vote. Hanging chads, butterfly ballots. LisaL Jan 2017 #90

Hillary has always been a realist, and she doesn't take advantage of desperate people. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #82

How are all these people eating with Putin? Qanisqineq Jan 2017 #84

This was a gala for RT, the Russian propaganda network. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #85

Not knowing much about her, BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2017 #86

Aloha, Blanche.. this is stein in a nut shell... Cha Jan 2017 #120

If you donated to Stein for the recount, call your credit card company for a charge back refund. lapucelle Jan 2017 #88

Charge backs would be an excellent way to get some recourse NWCorona Jan 2017 #93

I am SHOCKED SHOCKED to find gambling going on here. nycbos Jan 2017 #89

I lost all respect for Jill when she pulled this stunt. NWCorona Jan 2017 #92

Stein helped get trump elected and then scammed donors with recounts Gothmog Jan 2017 #95

She's a great con artist BainsBane Jan 2017 #97

Makes me wish even more that Dems had been willing to lead the charge. Barack_America Jan 2017 #98

And found no difference in results BainsBane Jan 2017 #99

Considering how evenly divided this country is liquid diamond Jan 2017 #101

Does the Green party have any part in this? braddy Jan 2017 #102

she was the green party candidate, so yes, the entire party is about defeating democrats JI7 Jan 2017 #117

Well, so far everyone talks only about Jill Stein, rather than the Green party itself, as though braddy Jan 2017 #121

My friend supports Jill Stein, and if Jill had not been on the ballot, Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #103

Sorry, but I hope Trump trashes the causes Blue_true Jan 2017 #112

She is very extreme. I was trying to understand her just last night. Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #113

Oh, I get it... CajunBlazer Jan 2017 #124

Yes it is.. too bad about your friend enabling a Climate Change Denier in the WH Cha Jan 2017 #119

Her stance is confusing to me. Equinox Moon Jan 2017 #122

The staunchest BOBs dislike feminists because they assume they are for HRC and voting "with bettyellen Jan 2017 #138

All leftover monies donated to voter reforms or. returned...?? pbmus Jan 2017 #105

the money will go towards helping defeat democrats in future elections JI7 Jan 2017 #118

Exactly. Dems just helped fund her next campaign against a Dem. n/t pnwmom Jan 2017 #126

Tried to tell folks... Blue_Tires Jan 2017 #125

The money should be donated to the ACLU and it should be done immediately!!! FreeStateDemocrat Jan 2017 #133

Jill Stein's Recount Cash Pays for Her Russia Legal Defense oberliner Jul 2018 #141

Oh. Wow. Thanks, oberliner. n/t pnwmom Jul 2018 #142

A lot of us could see this coming oberliner Jul 2018 #143