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In reply to the discussion: Vote Against FDR in '44 [View all]

leveymg

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6. There may have been instances where US Citizens were killed by US forces as enemycombatants in WWII,
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 03:59 PM
Dec 2011

or as civilians living in areas in Germany, Italy or Japan bombed by the U.S. There were a handful tried as war criminals afterwards. But, I am not aware of a single instance where the US targeted and assassinated specific US persons because of their aid to the enemy.

This is a different sort of war under Bush/Obama, and it's not even a declared war.

As for NDAA, it appears to allow for the indefinite military detention of any US Citizen inside or outside the US, and requires it for non-US persons, and is thus unconstitutional.

Sec 1021, Indefinite Military Detention

Pursuant to the AUMF passed in the immediate aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks, the NDAA text affirms the President's authority to detain, via the Armed Forces, any person "who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces," under the law of war, "without trial, until the end of hostilities." The text also authorizes trial by military tribunal, or "transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin," or transfer to "any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity."[13] An amendment to the Act that would have explicitly forbidden the indefinite detention without trial of American citizens was rejected.[14]

Addressing previous conflict with the Obama Administration regarding the wording of the Senate text, the Senate-House compromise text also affirms that nothing in the Act "is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authority for Use of Military Force."

Requirement for Military Custody: Section 1022

All persons arrested and detained according to the provisions of section 1021, including those detained on U.S. soil, whether detained indefinitely or not, are required to be held by the United States Armed Forces. The requirement does not extend to U.S. citizens. Lawful resident aliens may or may not be required to be detained by the Armed Forces, "on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States."[

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Vote Against FDR in '44 [View all] ProSense Dec 2011 OP
They didn't use steroids in the 1940s. Not even any "steriods." leveymg Dec 2011 #1
Well ProSense Dec 2011 #3
There may have been instances where US Citizens were killed by US forces as enemycombatants in WWII, leveymg Dec 2011 #6
What ProSense Dec 2011 #7
I'm making a larger point about how the GWOT is dissimiliar to the methods used by the US in WWII leveymg Dec 2011 #9
That ProSense Dec 2011 #13
Yes, Obama's authorized extrajudicial executions. A number of them. That's a major dissimilarity. leveymg Dec 2011 #14
Wait ProSense Dec 2011 #16
None of the US Citizens targeted recently had "taken up arms" leveymg Dec 2011 #37
So ProSense Dec 2011 #40
They weren't combatants, but they were assassinated. leveymg Dec 2011 #42
You don't "get" satire, do you? Bucky Dec 2011 #33
You don't "get" sarcasm, do you? leveymg Dec 2011 #43
My thought exactly> Survivoreesta Dec 2011 #53
Presidential Nostalgia treestar Dec 2011 #2
A fifth-term FDR would be more effective than a second-term Obama MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #4
Well, ProSense Dec 2011 #5
If Republicans can animate a block of marble like Mitt Romney, we can zombify FDR. Bucky Dec 2011 #34
How true. MilesColtrane Dec 2011 #39
I think The Onion beat you to that thought Ken Burch Jan 2012 #62
I love it! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2011 #8
I think any comparisons between FDR and Obama are sorely misguided quinnox Dec 2011 #10
No doubt. MineralMan Dec 2011 #11
But this really was an abomination. dawg Dec 2011 #12
That's ProSense Dec 2011 #15
Oh wait ... dawg Dec 2011 #23
Survey finds FDR best president Zorra Dec 2011 #17
Obama ProSense Dec 2011 #20
Historians rate Presidents long after a President's term(s). bluestate10 Dec 2011 #21
FDR opened the doors to kill labor. joshcryer Dec 2011 #18
The only joke in this thread is daring to compare Obama to FDR. Edweird Dec 2011 #19
You're right. FDR had vast majorities in Congress. Obama has had to fight much harder for everything MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #32
Obama had significant majorities as well until he pissed them away. Edweird Dec 2011 #38
The was never an actual functioning majority in the Senate, and that made all the difference. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #41
Didn't seem to stop Bush from pursuing his actual agenda with vigor... JackRiddler Dec 2011 #47
Excuses. Edweird Dec 2011 #49
Fact. You want FDR, you need FDR's circumstances. MjolnirTime Dec 2011 #51
You mean the one that planned a coup? Edweird Jan 2012 #55
You're wrong. FDR had his way with Congress. There were no Filibusters. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #56
Yep. "I welcome their hatred" vs 'bipartisan'. Edweird Jan 2012 #58
Can you give one example of a Filibuster FDR had to overcome? MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #59
Can you provide an example of a corporate/military coup Obama overcame? Edweird Jan 2012 #60
1942: President Roosevelt signs Executive Order 9066. Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #22
Woah, their celebrating Japanese Internment Camps on Kos now? napoleon_in_rags Dec 2011 #24
It's the funniest piece of satire since "An American Carol". dawg Dec 2011 #26
It's ProSense Dec 2011 #27
Okay okay okay - have it your way. dawg Dec 2011 #28
But seriously, for me this isn't about Obama. dawg Dec 2011 #30
Well, ProSense Dec 2011 #35
I get the point that Obama shouldn't be singled-out on this issue ... dawg Dec 2011 #36
Obama is not the first president to enact health care reform. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #45
Actually ProSense Dec 2011 #50
Brilliant stuff! JNelson6563 Dec 2011 #25
That's funny. JoePhilly Dec 2011 #29
He did dump that left wing Henry Wallace in '44 for that moderate Harry Truman!! WI_DEM Dec 2011 #31
so if Obama put all Muslims in concentration camps Enrique Dec 2011 #44
Logic isn't going to get you anywhere with someone who'd use this "argument." JackRiddler Dec 2011 #46
Has ProSense Dec 2011 #48
K&R. Awesome post...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #52
I love good satire also hootinholler Dec 2011 #54
I love good satire too. Where is some? nt Union Scribe Jan 2012 #57
Quite disjointed in thought and not funny in these difficult times. mmonk Jan 2012 #61
He's probably trying to make a comparison between the Japanese interment Ken Burch Jan 2012 #64
Still, it's silly to compare Obama after one term to all that FDR had done after three. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #63
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