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Sen. Walter Sobchak

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25. I think I will live to see an independent California, but I also think I will live to see 100.

Sun Feb 5, 2017, 06:57 PM

Feb 2017

I would not personally support it today. But I think the economic might of California and the political hegemony of the Methbelt are going to continue to clash. If economic policy is going to be dictated by angry white assholes in Ohio in the coming years no matter who is in the White House we're on a collision course.

California separatism is going to be a result of federal policies economically smothering California over the course of decades. The problem is what is good for California and what is good for Ohio are mutually exclusive. There is no economic interest in California that benefits from protectionism, there is no economic interest in California that benefits from barriers to travel and immigration.

It will take decades for that consensus to form in California and California has to be resilient in the face of those pressures.

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Is the U.S. on course for a breakup? [View all] singed.dude Feb 2017 OP

I see it as a possibility tinrobot Feb 2017 #1

I think we'd have to lose a world war first Warpy Feb 2017 #26

Or a Civil War. Initech Feb 2017 #39

yeah, I could see it Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #44

In that case, I can see NM making the Interstates impassable while Warpy Feb 2017 #49

This is a long-standing wet-dream of the anti-regulatory ideologues struggle4progress Feb 2017 #2

New Mexico will NEVER join Texas.... alittlelark Feb 2017 #3

And Texas would NEVER be aligned with Oklahoma KatyMan Feb 2017 #21

In many states the divide seems to be urban vs rural. milestogo Feb 2017 #4

it's all states, really Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #45

I agree with this...I actually like this idea, because I am sick of red states taking out tax $$ adigal Feb 2017 #56

Or the Makers vs Takers as most of those Red States receive more benefits from the Federal Goverment politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2017 #68

Russia's wet dream. Initech Feb 2017 #5

I agree and am suspicious of ANY "innocent" talk about breaking up the USA flamingdem Feb 2017 #59

i don't check with russia before i form an opinion; i check with facts and evidence. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2017 #76

no. onenote Feb 2017 #6

How do people who literally loathe one another live together in perpetuity if not by force? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #9

Well, since there are republicans and Democrats in every state, I'll put the same question to you onenote Feb 2017 #11

I don't know... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author kimbutgar Feb 2017 #22

the rural-urban divide in this country is tremendous and getting worse Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #31

I think it is the damn talk radio that is controlled by right wing broadcasters/ interests kimbutgar Feb 2017 #41

good point... I know a lot of it has to do with rightwing media Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #43

that's ridiculous onenote Feb 2017 #65

ok, what's your explanation and how do we win these folks? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #70

This says it all.. pangaia Feb 2017 #33

Appalling to think that way about a demonstrable insane man kimbutgar Feb 2017 #47

I drove through this area a couple of weeks ago going to Tahoe. Initech Feb 2017 #40

I think that conservative blue staters would be free to leave for red states and vice versa?? adigal Feb 2017 #58

A few years ago, they tried to get a ballot initiative voted on which would have divided California politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2017 #71

Same way we always have: laws, norms, and common agreement Hekate Feb 2017 #18

Well DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #19

What makes you think that people who are in total disagreement would agree to seperate grantcart Feb 2017 #34

Does that mean the states will be held together by sheer force like the former Soviet republics? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #42

Soviet Union, unlike the US, was never a voluntary union. grantcart Feb 2017 #48

I remember eleven states who left the Union of their own volition. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #50

You are missing the point completely. grantcart Feb 2017 #55

What principles ? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #57

The same principles that gave the judge in Seattle the POWER grantcart Feb 2017 #62

The Deplorables and Drumpf would eliminate that judge by any means necessary if they could. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #63

a week ago we were on the verge. But the Superbowl brought us back together Bucky Feb 2017 #7

hahaha! Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #32

Nopity nope nope Averagegrunt Feb 2017 #8

Alaska cannot afford independence. bravenak Feb 2017 #10

That would suck Alaska is awesome Averagegrunt Feb 2017 #15

It sure is bravenak Feb 2017 #17

I see this being accelerated in the next 4 years kimbutgar Feb 2017 #12

yes, it's all so fucked up that something has to give Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #36

Doubtful, but if it were an option I would be in favor. DanTex Feb 2017 #13

I hope it doesn't happen before the end of the Super Bowl. nt NCjack Feb 2017 #16

No. It's science fiction. I can point you to the shelf in the bookstore. Hekate Feb 2017 #20

Some people in California may want to secede but it will NEVER happen. Calista241 Feb 2017 #23

when my late mum was a little girl , her teachers warned that this could happen AllaN01Bear Feb 2017 #24

What kind of ignorant "teachers" did she have? WinkyDink Feb 2017 #51

I think I will live to see an independent California, but I also think I will live to see 100. Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #25

But they need our tax receipts and if they destroy what makes us great they won't get it. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #67

6-8 Seperate Nations would make good sense. democratisphere Feb 2017 #27

This is EXACTLY what Dugin and the Russians are promoting and what they want. pangaia Feb 2017 #28

Bannon is in support of California secession, Nevermypresident Feb 2017 #29

Bannon has lived in California for thirty years Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #53

The last time Turbineguy Feb 2017 #30

That's what I was thinking Yupster Feb 2017 #38

If this happens, I hope I can be granted political asylum in a new blue nation. nt raccoon Feb 2017 #35

Yes, we would have to do that and I would love to send some of my neighbors to red states!! nt adigal Feb 2017 #60

No DesertRat Feb 2017 #37

The divide is between the US and Dumbfuckistan Stinky The Clown Feb 2017 #46

Any breakup would have an exodus across State lines from red and blue populations kairos12 Feb 2017 #64

People are too geographically connected across regions liberal N proud Feb 2017 #52

In the South, it is a rural / urban divide. MarvinGardens Feb 2017 #54

It is an interesting academic exercise, ManiacJoe Feb 2017 #61

Mental masturbation Kilgore Feb 2017 #66

Map of the former United States; repost from 3 months ago. jg10003 Feb 2017 #69

My first thought is Yupster Feb 2017 #72

I don't think the nation of Midland would be viable Yupster Feb 2017 #73

I think it's possible, but impossible to predict the outcome fescuerescue Feb 2017 #74

we can hope; it is probably the only way for dems to have any kind of national power. nt TheFrenchRazor Feb 2017 #75

Who gets the Nuclear Arsenal? A sovereign Alaska Becomes part of Russia delisen Feb 2017 #77