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The Velveteen Ocelot

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6. Trump isn't religious.

Reply to IamFortunesFool (Original post)

Mon Feb 6, 2017, 07:44 PM

Feb 2017

He pretends to be only in order to sucker his fan base; his only god is himself. I do agree that elected officials need to keep their religious beliefs, whatever they are, out of their policy-making decisions. The Constitution itself says "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States. That clause has been ignored far too often.

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The next President needs to be an atheist [View all] IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 OP

The next President needs to be a Liberal. Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #1

Agreed etherealtruth Feb 2017 #11

An Atheist President would be refreshing. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #2

I'm all for that madokie Feb 2017 #8

it is not the cause, let alone the mail cause, it is just cover but I'd love to have an open atheist Hamlette Feb 2017 #3

We certainly have IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #7

Suggesting that Obama wasn't really a Christian onenote Feb 2017 #31

Are you suggesting I have no right to share my opinion? IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #33

Did you think it was okay for RW'er to offer their opinion as to whether Obama onenote Feb 2017 #38

Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #42

Wrong. I'm progressive. But I'm not a Christian. onenote Feb 2017 #52

I would love to see that coalition rally around something other than a Judeo-Christian IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #59

And belittling their beliefs isn't likely to win that coalition over onenote Feb 2017 #69

I am not belittling their faith. I am saying that I'm sick of it ruling our politics. IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #72

Here's a test of whether you're belittling someone's faith onenote Feb 2017 #79

So we should only say things that nobody will be offended by? IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #81

We should avoid unnecessarily antagonizing our allies and show them the respect onenote Feb 2017 #84

The only people my OP is meant to antagonize are religious fundamentalist and they are NOT allies IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #85

You misread my point. Which is that you have, by your own admission, onenote Feb 2017 #86

No, you and I disagree on what constitutes antagonizing IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #88

Your intellectual superiority to Martin Luther King, Jr. is duly noted onenote Feb 2017 #89

As is your inability to formulate an argument beyond false equivalencies and insults LOL IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #90

In Reading This Subthread. . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2017 #94

+1 SticksnStones Feb 2017 #102

Sounds like your "opinion" is that President Obama was lying Tanuki Feb 2017 #40

Correct IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #44

2+2yellow is an opinion as well. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #98

People love to project their own views on Obama. former9thward Feb 2017 #30

I'd love to know what evidence you have beyond your own projection. Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #37

my only evidence is his mother and grandparents Hamlette Feb 2017 #82

maybe trump is one bdamomma Feb 2017 #4

Trump is not a believer...at least not a believer in "Hell" Freethinker65 Feb 2017 #5

Trump isn't religious. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #6

Trump is exactly why I say what I do IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #10

The First Amendment prevents the enactment of laws that prohibit the free exercise The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #14

I am not proposing to in any way limit their rights IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #20

And I'm not sure if anything can be done to change their minds, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #45

You are correct. I'm not looking to change their mind, just help others not be so intimidated IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #49

Even more than his pandering is their Play-Doh-like self-malleability... JHB Feb 2017 #21

Yes, and that only underscores my point of why we can no longer empower these people IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #23

Does "these people" include anyone that professes a belief if god onenote Feb 2017 #39

No, not at all IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #41

Agreed ... he never appeared to have any interest until he needed voters etherealtruth Feb 2017 #12

It's mostly because of abortion. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #18

... they pretty much did (follow him right off a cliff) etherealtruth Feb 2017 #19

I would say we have one, except he is a trumpist. He worships himself. TexasProgresive Feb 2017 #9

yes, he worships a golden god, himself. TeamPooka Feb 2017 #13

Yes, everyone knows that godlessness is inherently less moral than believing Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #16

The next President needs to be someone who doesn't think in cliches. rug Feb 2017 #15

Why always the President? treestar Feb 2017 #17

FYI...There are athiests who are conservative..... Xolodno Feb 2017 #22

I know, but the reality is that religion in politics and the pandering to religion is ubiquitous IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #25

And they all said Brainstormy Feb 2017 #24

Even more important we need atheists on the Supreme Court csziggy Feb 2017 #26

Yes...but that will likely require an OPENLY atheist or agnostic POTUS.... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #28

The current so-called president is not a Christian Nonhlanhla Feb 2017 #27

If the current president says he's a Christian then he is a Christian SticksnStones Feb 2017 #103

No, he is not even a failed Christian Nonhlanhla Feb 2017 #105

While I agree with your premise... SticksnStones Feb 2017 #108

That's fine Nonhlanhla Feb 2017 #112

I'm pretty sure this one is. tavernier Feb 2017 #29

Perhaps he won't directly admit it, but Trump is one. Our next president needs to be sane. tandem5 Feb 2017 #32

Whatever he does or doesn't believe, I would wager he hasn't given it much thought IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #35

And hopefully not a sexist nolabels Feb 2017 #34

As long as it was an intelligent, thoughtful, literate, levelheaded, fair-minded, Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #36

Translation: The election is 3-1/2 years away, but I'm going to start finding ways to divide our FSogol Feb 2017 #43

No, our party needs to show the courage of its convictions IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #46

I think you are trying to define a small tent. That's a proven path to losing. n/t FSogol Feb 2017 #48

So you think the very presence of a professed non-believer makes for an inherently smaller tent? IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #53

All you need to do is get the atheists, as a voting block, to agree on a candidate... brooklynite Feb 2017 #47

The right candidate would draw a lot more than just the atheist IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #50

If you want a candidate who IS atheist to step forward... brooklynite Feb 2017 #99

Religion controls the masses. Most top tier preachers don't believe what they're selling NightWatcher Feb 2017 #51

I couldn't agree more... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #57

Plus the idea of faith is the antithesis of critical thinking and reason. NightWatcher Feb 2017 #60

Precisely IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #63

Don't make me bust out my Asimov "there is a cult of ignorance " quote NightWatcher Feb 2017 #67

It is so frustrating to live in an age... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #75

Stalin was an atheist. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #54

So was Carl Sagan...so is Stephen Hawking IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #62

Any post that attempts to frame things as this post does guillaumeb Feb 2017 #107

Is there an alternative oath of office, that doesn't involve god and the bible? dubyadiprecession Feb 2017 #55

Actually, neither invocation of God nor swearing on a bible is required. Tanuki Feb 2017 #74

dt is an atheist; he only believes in himself. nt babylonsister Feb 2017 #56

That is not the definition of an atheist SharonClark Feb 2017 #58

OK. babylonsister Feb 2017 #73

Bigoted and arrogant post HopeAgain Feb 2017 #61

I'm sorry you feel that way IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #71

Your post clearly implies an atheist would be better than any Christian HopeAgain Feb 2017 #77

I was raised in a Christian family...I know it all too well IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #80

The problem is not religion... HopeAgain Feb 2017 #92

The next president needs to be a Democrat. n/t Crunchy Frog Feb 2017 #64

The next president needs to be sane. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2017 #65

This. So much for liberal tolerance. liquid diamond Feb 2017 #68

Good luck with that. liquid diamond Feb 2017 #66

We will have a Muslim in the white house before that samir.g Feb 2017 #70

Sadly, seeing as how atheist poll as the only demographic seen as less trustworthy IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #78

I think you're right Calculating Feb 2017 #87

"Accountability for our actions in this life..." Mariana Feb 2017 #96

Sorry. I just can't get behind a religious test of any sort. WillowTree Feb 2017 #76

You've obviously missed my point IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #83

You obviously missed the word "any". WillowTree Feb 2017 #91

agree 100% HAB911 Feb 2017 #95

Aggressive but delicate flowers IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #100

I don't care if s/he is an atheist or not MissMillie Feb 2017 #93

Everyone is born an atheist. No one is born a racist. logosoco Feb 2017 #97

I honestly believe Trump is an atheist. bravenak Feb 2017 #101

The most important question to a candidate is jcboon Feb 2017 #104

I suppose denying one imaginary construct... LanternWaste Feb 2017 #106

This President does not believe in God itcfish Feb 2017 #109

hmm...I'd settle for "not the actual Anti-Christ" anarch Feb 2017 #110

DU rules prevent me from responding to this post the way I want to. LAS14 Feb 2017 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Vermijelli Feb 2017 #113

The next POTUS needs to be the best liberal for the job Vermijelli Feb 2017 #114

Bill Maher for President HAB911 Feb 2017 #115