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JHan

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44. Quite a bit of slack:

Sat Feb 11, 2017, 03:16 PM

Feb 2017

There was a post similar to this which got.. hidden unfortunately. So i'll just repeat myself-

Like it or not, politicians shape shift to their environment to survive. Rather than lose whatever leverage we have these states, we have to change the environment. Gerrymandering makes it tough so the focus has to be selling the DEM platform in these states with a message suited and coded to the sensibilities of constituents in these areas - without compromising our core belief that Government is a force for good or compromising on any of our other values. It maybe a futile exercise but having a DEM in a red state is nothing to scoff at - Republicans don't scoff at the idea of winning over or having leverage in typically blue territory.

I'd much rather a Blue Dog than a Republican.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Ken Burch Feb 2017 OP

On what basis do you say 'that kind of politics can still work?' elleng Feb 2017 #1

We may not like him, Big Blue Marble Feb 2017 #2

What He Did For Love Me. Feb 2017 #3

OMG the EpiPen CEO creep leftstreet Feb 2017 #6

Yes Indeedy Me. Feb 2017 #12

Don't forget WVU gave her a bogus degree also hollowdweller Feb 2017 #32

That, too. dalton99a Feb 2017 #43

You said "We all know he's inevitably going to cross the aisle now anyway." MADem Feb 2017 #4

Because there is no way he can keep going further and further right Ken Burch Feb 2017 #7

That's precisely why he can get away with it--because we need him more than he needs us. MADem Feb 2017 #10

Difference between Manchin and Lieberman is the states they represent crazycatlady Feb 2017 #46

WV has a Democratic governor dsc Feb 2017 #26

Are you psychic? "We all know he's inevitably going to cross the aisle now anyway" KittyWampus Feb 2017 #5

If you're that far to the right, it simply has to happen. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #8

#1. Speak for youself #2. He voted against DeVos. #3. His votes says he's from a conservative KittyWampus Feb 2017 #13

You can't be sure that he'll switch to the dark side Jake Stern Feb 2017 #14

Depends on how that progressive runs. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #19

PROGRESSIVE is NOT a synonym for liberal. There are plenty of "progressives" on the GOP team. MADem Feb 2017 #15

I have never been the sort of "progressive" that cares about white working men and no one else. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #16

I wasn't implying anything about you at all. I was just pointing out a sad fact. MADem Feb 2017 #21

If you're implying that that represents most Sanders supporterss, that's bullshit. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #25

that is total bullshit dsc Feb 2017 #27

If you're talking about the 1930's yes, I agree with you. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #29

a candidate who actually did something about social justice while in office dsc Feb 2017 #30

The point is, neither of those people will ever run for office again. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #35

Thank you--that was precisely my point and you articulated it beautifully. nt MADem Feb 2017 #31

YOU stop with the "implying" and "if you're" and and "stop with that" stuff. MADem Feb 2017 #33

I said some things wrong there. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #37

You keep doing it. Do you even read what you write? MADem Feb 2017 #38

Let me put it this way: do you actually believe Keith Ellison can't be trusted to fight racism? Ken Burch Feb 2017 #42

Why are you posing silly strawmen questions? MADem Feb 2017 #45

I had a specific reason for asking that question. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #48

You are trashing HRC without using her name. Please delete this crap. bettyellen Feb 2017 #54

I'm doing nothing of the sort. I just reject the idea that Sanders supporters are collectively evil Ken Burch Feb 2017 #55

Oops I'm so sorry - it was HRC supporters you were accusing of playing a race card here: bettyellen Feb 2017 #56

Look...I went too far with "Never"...I know what happened in the New Deal era. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #59

Feminists and POC were alert stalked here for a full year and you call it bogus? Fuck that. bettyellen Feb 2017 #61

I wasn't even mentioning it. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #63

You claimed HRC supporters played some sort of race card in the above post. bettyellen Feb 2017 #64

To clarify, I mean the HRC campaign people who kept attacking Bernie on race Ken Burch Feb 2017 #67

Bullshit. Just stop w the primary crap and blaming all of us for your nonsense. Enough! bettyellen Feb 2017 #68

There was no reason for the other poster to bring up the primaries. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #69

He voted against DeVos, will vote against Price BeyondGeography Feb 2017 #9

The real question is ProudLib72 Feb 2017 #11

That's a very good point. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #17

The GOP have Senators from the "liberal" end of the spectrum (to their minds) MADem Feb 2017 #22

State with legalized weed are on edge now thanks to Beauregard. sarcasmo Feb 2017 #18

Joe Manchin is a true DINO Calculating Feb 2017 #20

I suspect he's a West Virginia Democrat. You're not going to find an acceptable Dem to his left MADem Feb 2017 #23

West Virginia is about Racism . they prefer wealthy white guys to poor black/brown/gay etc JI7 Feb 2017 #24

We keep him until we can actually build up the WV democratic party again. Tatiana Feb 2017 #28

We need to run candidates as both GOP and Dem. nikibatts Feb 2017 #34

If he's not expelled from the caucus, the Democratic Party does not exist in a meaningful sense. DemocraticWing Feb 2017 #36

It won't happen but the party does exist in a meaningful sense. "Big tent" and all that. MADem Feb 2017 #40

You have to live in WV to have any real say in this. I find him infuriating but it is WV and their hrmjustin Feb 2017 #39

I am not a fan of his and owe one of my hides to harsh criticism of him. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #41

Quite a bit of slack: JHan Feb 2017 #44

Unless you count state lines as gerrymandering crazycatlady Feb 2017 #47

Thanks for the correction.. JHan Feb 2017 #50

You mean politicians represent their consituents, not the party? n/t X_Digger Feb 2017 #49

more like trying to strike a balance between the two ... JHan Feb 2017 #51

in a place like west virginia the best would be to try to get on local school board and other local JI7 Feb 2017 #52

Not if the "have nots" are brown or female it doesn't. bettyellen Feb 2017 #53

I'm just as committed to helping the brown or female have-nots as you are. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #57

It's timing- we need to be unified against Trump not primarying folks bettyellen Feb 2017 #58

I'm for working against Trump, too. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #60

I'm not attacking Sanders, just asking people to stop ripping up Dems as a hobby... bettyellen Feb 2017 #62

I'm not ripping up anyone. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #65

You just accused HRC supporters of playing the race card. bettyellen Feb 2017 #66