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IamFortunesFool

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90. Answers
Sun Feb 12, 2017, 03:50 PM
Feb 2017

Thank you for your genuine interest and thoughtful questions. I will do my best to answer them to your satisfaction...

A) Putin obviously put considerable effort and resources into his hijacking of our election, and there is enough evidence of Russian involvement to reasonably conjecture that Putin was confident in this ultimate result. Trump's win provides Putin with an immensely useful tool (fool) to continue his process of destabilization. Having Trump and Bannon in the White House allows for an expedition of Putin's/Dugin's goals. Bannon is wholly on board with the larger political strategy and Trump's ego and idiocy make him a blunt but effective bludgeon. However, had Trump lost and Clinton ascended to power, the stage was already set by Trump's myriad pronouncements for the election results to be thrown into question. The hostility and venom of those on the right towards Clinton and Obama is thick and palpable after so many years of right-wing hate radio and news, and the core of Trump supporters would have been putting on demonstrations (with some likely turning violent either organically or with some unseen guidance) much in the same way that we progressives are now protesting Trump. These were two incredibly polarizing candidates, and our country has been primed for the current unrest we're seeing for years now. Remember, the method of this madness is to sow uncertainty and division to undermine our democracy and society. While Trump's presidency certainly makes things expeditious for Putin, the election of Clinton would have sown just as much divisiveness and still worked to further his ends of destabilization. This calculus is larger than just our country. The war has many fronts and is being fought both here and across Europe, in the Middle East, as well as in the international media. Had Clinton become our 45th President, Putin's ambitions would have continued on more of a slow burn, whereas Trump has helped bring things quickly to a boil. I suspect there were provisions and strategy in place to utilize a Clinton Presidency for their desired ends as well. As I've stated in these sub-threads, this global cabal is larger than just Putin, and can be traced back to the ensconcing of centralized banking and the birth of the military industrial complex about 100 years ago. Putin seems to be the current head of a much older snake.

B) Many, if not most of the cabinet appointments were likely selected by Bannon; the stench of his politics drips from people like Devos, Pruitt, Sessions, and Perry...people who have stated their desire to tear down the very departments they've been tapped to lead. Tillerson is particularly interesting choice because of his long and documented ties to Putin and Russia. While Tillerson and Sessions are directly linked to Russia and therefore obvious conspirators to some degree, Others like Perry and Ben Carson are being used for varied reasons running the table from optics to personal politics. Intersetingly, Devos has a direct link to all of this through her brother, Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater. At this point, it is impossible to know exactly who knows what and to what degree they are complicit in this coup. That said, I think it is safe to assume that, at minimum, Sessions and Tillerson are clued in and involved on some level.

C) The Dominionist crowd is a peculiar and varied lot. The movement has grassroots support and the players run the gambit from illiterate fundamentalist hillbillies, to billionaire socialite wankers like Devos. However, there is a marked divide within this movement between the religious true believers who want theocratic institutions as extensions of their world view, and the more sinister political players who recognize religion as the vehicle for social control that it has been used as by tyrants for millennia. People like Putin, Dugin, and Bannon are not pressing this coup for the satiation of their own religious fervor, but to sate their ambitions to power and relieve their own hateful prejudices. The power brokers of the movement (Putin/Bannon/Dugin, etc...) are like the super church televangelist preachers who spew rhetoric to the illiterate or uninformed masses to achieve their own desired and selfish ends. So to pointedly answer your query, the Dominionist not directly involved in the prosecution and execution of their "master plan" are useful sycophants nonetheless.

I could elaborate endlessly on many of these points. Like I've said before, the sheer scope, volume, and depth of all of this is truly staggering and utterly intimidating. Even just seeing it for what it is requires a fairly robust working knowledge of history, politics, psychology, and economics. As to your question about whether or not the Democratic party itself is compromised by this cabal, I would absolutely say: YES. Again, this is larger and older than the politics of this moment. The global financial elite have been meddling in, or overtly influencing our domestic and foreign policy for generations. I have no doubt that some, if not many, of our elected Democrats have been involved to varying degrees with the process of intentional social division and political chaos. To be honest, after everything I've seen and watched develop over the years, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if even the Clinton's were in some way involved. I'm sure that will be met with some hostile criticism here, but I stand by it. Again, this is much larger and storied than just this administration. Global economics and politics have been building towards this since WWI. Every successive administration in this country, whether knowingly or not, has helped to put us where we are today. Eisenhower warned us about this as he was leaving office... He may have been the last American President not compromised in some way by his financial backers, and therefore the moneyed interests at the heart of this entire mess.

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My jury is somewhat out on him, however GliderGuider Feb 2017 #24
I remember that as I'd followed Comey's career since I worked for the NY Law Journal in the early... brush Feb 2017 #28
Comey released information, in the week before the election, that the FBI had discovered lutherj Feb 2017 #46
Please read the attached article IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #52
Interesting read. It makes more sense to me, although I can't help wondering why Trump lutherj Feb 2017 #78
The assessment of Comey's actions and intentions in that article is hugely compelling IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #25
See this: Senator Wyden is Hell-bent on Getting Out the Truth About Trump and Russia (Mother Jones) Amaryllis Feb 2017 #51
Yes... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #54
So I know a number of congress folks have been wanting this to come out but couldnt talk about it. Amaryllis Feb 2017 #57
There is that. I understand Comey made the info classified in the briefing he gave to the lawmakers. brush Feb 2017 #72
A few gut feelings I have Norbert9 Feb 2017 #70
trump got 42% of the 50% of people who voted, which equals what, about 24% of the population brush Feb 2017 #73
Exactly. I posted recently how Sessions had to vote for Devos before he himself could be confirmed Norbert9 Feb 2017 #76
According to update article cited from The Weeklings, Sessions can squash it all! Norbert9 Feb 2017 #69
That is my fear as well. triron Feb 2017 #85
Hopefully this thing is moving faster Turbineguy Feb 2017 #98
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I'm printing out a copy of it to go through at my leisure. calimary Feb 2017 #79
Hahahaha!...Can't spell P.T. Barnum without Trump!... Priceless! IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #81
The story is currently mrs_p Feb 2017 #5
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Indeed... festering cancer IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #109
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El gusto es mio! IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #17
Muchas gracias. Did you see this OP: Squinch Feb 2017 #18
That is a perfect exhibit of evidence for Surkov's methods IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #20
Why? AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #63
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No doubt you've been told this before, but sorry, you are NObody's fool!! SO many thanks for Leghorn21 Feb 2017 #21
Ha! I assure you I am quite the fool IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #22
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Looking into it now... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #45
Thanks, it just feels like some shit's going down today - here are 3 of her posts from 8 Leghorn21 Feb 2017 #47
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No worries... I'll be here IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #56
Nice work today. Real nice work. GliderGuider Feb 2017 #58
I got preoccupied with it and missed SNL... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #59
I'm kind of dense here and overwhelmed with your info, but could you please explain PearliePoo2 Feb 2017 #80
There has been enough of this information in the public domain for long enough IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #84
I have been listening to Malcolm Nance on A M Joy's weekend show and he said PearliePoo2 Feb 2017 #87
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In the news today, evidence of exactly what I said above yesterday... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #105
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Some of my dystopian thoughts have been that Putin wants America. He wants our food, resources, notdarkyet Feb 2017 #32
It's widely known that Russia has been funding the nationalist and alt-right movements across Europe IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #33
Breibart and Alex Jones AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #61
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Yes, that is my fear as well IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #35
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Thanks for those sources and for tying this altogether in one place. Ligyron Feb 2017 #36
K & R BadgerMom Feb 2017 #37
THANK YOU!! Again ! pangaia Feb 2017 #38
Yes, we (and a few others) have been beating the drum here for a few weeks IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #39
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Awww... well, thank you! IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #41
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the challenge AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #62
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many republicans are ok with that AlexSFCA Feb 2017 #92
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OP DittoTheCat2 Feb 2017 #83
Answers IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #90
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Thank you all for your commments, input, and questions... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #101
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The news tonight... IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #110
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I am heartened to see the MSM picking up this story in earnest IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #113
I saw a very disturbing video on YouTube that presented a lot of this. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #114
I have not seen that... But I would like to IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #115
OK, here it is. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #116
Awesome! Thank you!! IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #117
Alright, here's what appears to be the entire 2.5 hour documentary. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2017 #118
I'm going to start it now IamFortunesFool Feb 2017 #119
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