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truebluegreen

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27. You should climb down from your ivory tower, "Professor" and get out in the real world.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 09:36 PM
Feb 2017

There's laws and there's laws, aren't there? I mean, these are on the books: it is illegal to fish for whales in Nebraska; it is illegal to serve beer and pretzels at the same time in North Dakota, you can be arrested and fined for harassing Bigfoot in Washington.

But those are just some of the silly ones right? Real laws are what we're talking about, real laws that actually impact our society, our security agencies, our business climate in modern life. Real laws like, say, the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890. It is still on the books but since the 1970s the courts have construed it very narrowly, requiring a plausible conspiracy before allowing discovery--which makes it hard to show a plausible conspiracy.

And then there's the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act of 1998, which has also been construed very narrowly: "In 2006 Thomas Gimble, Acting Inspector General, Department of Defense, stated before the House Committee on Government Reform that the ICWPA is a 'misnomer' and that more properly the Act protects the communication of classified information to Congress. According to Michael German with the Brennan Center for Justice, the ICWPA, “provides a right to report internally but no remedy when that right is infringed, which means that there is no right at all.

And the Espionage Act of 1917, of which you are so fond. From an article in the Guardian, "Only ten people in American history have been charged with espionage for leaking classified information"...these prosecutions (have) "chosen to ignore the legal definition of whistleblower – any person who brings to light evidence of waste, fraud, abuse or illegality *– and has prosecuted truthtellers."
*How odd: same definition as mine.
True, the author has an ax to grind, specifically with Obama, but it is a fact that of the 10 (at the time) prosecutions, 7 of them were under Obama. You can read up on the details and draw your own conclusions.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/06/obama-abuse-espionage-act-mccarthyism

So I urge you, Professor, to investigate the real world aspects of your whistleblower protection laws before simply assuming that they actually provide "protection." I suggest you start with the three individuals I named above, and which you have pointedly ignored: William Binney, Russ Tice and Thomas Drake.

correction: you are right, Snowden has been charged under the Espionage Act, which is not the same as being a traitor, accept in some people's minds--I would have thought a professor would be more precise but there you go. We will just have to disagree on whether he is a coward.

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Zero integrity. nt Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2017 #1
For credibility, Greenwald should've added: in a REPUBLICAN government. It's a-ok to "go rogue" and BlueCaliDem Feb 2017 #2
I can't see the meme LaydeeBug Feb 2017 #3
He is as clueless as they come to have stepped into that one so readily. randome Feb 2017 #4
What an idiot. betsuni Feb 2017 #5
He has been desperately trying to defend that tweet too. Saying doesnt include whistleblowing stevenleser Feb 2017 #6
In his desperate bid for attention, there is NO ONE he wouldn't throw under the bus. OregonBlue Feb 2017 #7
Beg to differ. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #8
+1 PDittie Feb 2017 #14
Um, no..."going public" isn't whistleblowing. msanthrope Feb 2017 #15
Proof of what? truebluegreen Feb 2017 #18
I'm sorry, but those of us on this board who were paying attention msanthrope Feb 2017 #20
Not surprised and OK with it. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #21
That's rather binary. I, on the other hand, multitask. msanthrope Feb 2017 #22
Y'know, sometimes this shit just irritates me. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #23
The Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act of 1998 Doesn't Exist? msanthrope Feb 2017 #24
You should climb down from your ivory tower, "Professor" and get out in the real world. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #27
So, thanks for proving me corrrect.......the law does exist. msanthrope Feb 2017 #28
Thank you LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #25
I quite like whistleblowers. But Snowden isn't one. msanthrope Feb 2017 #29
I've repeatedly dismantled Snowflake's whistleblower defense Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #17
Went to bed. It was way late here. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #19
Greenwald is just another pundit...not a big deal like he has been portrayed. pbmus Feb 2017 #9
Greenwald and ASsange are such low class sleazy scumbags JI7 Feb 2017 #10
That would be funny rpannier Feb 2017 #11
Fuck Glenn Greenwald. I stopped caring years ago about anything that dipshit has had to say. 4lbs Feb 2017 #12
I'm sure that guy got blocked quite quickly, too. joshcryer Feb 2017 #13
Wow.. But, it's ok if it's President Obama.. just not that wuss trump Cha Feb 2017 #16
I've wondered that too. AJT Feb 2017 #26
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