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elleng

(141,926 posts)
35. And they are.
Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:28 PM
Jun 2012

'The Court has been particularly protective of political speech (and less protective of other kinds of speech, such as commercial speech). In several different ways, individuals have greater leeway in speaking about politics than they do about other subjects. For example, the First Amendment does not give individuals the right to lie about other people. If someone lies about you in writing (libel) or in speech (slander), you can sue them and collect monetary damages from them for defaming your character. However, if you were a public official, you would have to meet a higher legal standard to collect your money. In a landmark Supreme Court case, New York Times Co. v. Sullivan, a Montgomery, Alabama city commissioner sued the New York Times for running an ad that contained false information about him. While an Alabama court ruled in his favor, the Supreme Court overruled the lower court's decision declaring that:

The constitutional guarantees require, we think, a federal rule that prohibits a public official from recovering damages for a defamatory falsehood relating to his official conduct unless he proves that the statement was made with "actual malice" - that is, with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.
The Court has also provided broad protection for things that are said, written or broadcast during the course of a political campaign. The Court has even upheld the right of candidates to spend as much of their own money as they choose. In 1974, the Congress passed the Federal Election Campaign Act, part of which set limits on the total amount candidates for federal elective office could spend on their campaigns. In response to challenges brought by several candidates in Buckley v. Valeo, the Court declared the limits on spending a violation of the candidates' First Amendment rights. In its decision, a unanimous Court observed:

In the free society ordained by our constitution, it is not the government, but the people--individually as citizens and candidates and collectively as associations and political committees--who must retain control over the quantity and range of debate on public issues in a political campaign.
However, while the Court rejected overall spending limits for candidates and their campaigns, it let stand limits on the amount that individuals can give to candidates."

http://www.thisnation.com/textbook/billofrights-speech.html

And things moved on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._Federal_Election_Commission

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How does the ACA violate the 1st Amendment? COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #1
Here is the text. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #5
It would take more pages than I have the energy COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #38
I was thinking along the same lines this morning. EFerrari Jun 2012 #2
You get a tax break for your Mortgage Insurance. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #3
No one forces anyone to buy a house, that is a choice, you don't get fined for not owning a house. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #8
You don;t have to buy insurance. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #10
I'm saying that there are people who cannot afford it. Even a small extra amount of money sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #12
If you don;t make enough, you get either a subsidy or an exemption. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #20
Getting a tax break and receiving a fine are two different things, even Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #32
FIRST Amendment? elleng Jun 2012 #4
Where money is speech -- as the Supreme Court has decided it is? EFerrari Jun 2012 #13
Have to get there in other ways, EF. elleng Jun 2012 #19
Did you miss the part about speech? Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #21
And they are. elleng Jun 2012 #35
This law abridges the peoples' political speech via economic means. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #36
The whole "mandate" thing is a ruse..... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #6
+100 JoePhilly Jun 2012 #11
I disagree.... matmar Jun 2012 #17
Only because this is something they have been trying to do for decades and they were not sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #18
Those taxes go to the peoples' elected agents; that being the government to do as it wishes. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #23
No. Citizens United is. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #7
Considering that money is speech now, not something the FFs probably had in mind, but sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #9
I see it as using their own framing against them. EFerrari Jun 2012 #14
Your logic is flawless. Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #15
I have a big problem with the mandate, but I'm not following your logic. EOTE Jun 2012 #16
No because taxes go to your elected representatives; the government, supposedly you Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #24
It seems to me to be a distinction without a difference. EOTE Jun 2012 #37
There already is a mandate for auto insurance. trof Jun 2012 #22
That's only if you purchase an automobile and that pertains Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #25
No, you don't have to purchase an automobile. trof Jun 2012 #31
no more of less than the income tax does. unblock Jun 2012 #26
But you don't send the check directly to the Government Contractors, it goes to the IRS 1-Old-Man Jun 2012 #27
no, you pay the income tax or "penalty" or whatever you want to call it to the irs. unblock Jun 2012 #29
Is it a penalty if you don't get a mortgage? sadbear Jun 2012 #28
I get so depressed ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #30
+1000 trof Jun 2012 #33
I wouldn't care if I didn't believe the ACA with the mandate to be a Trojan Horse. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #34
WTF....have you read the First Amendment?!?! cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #39
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