People like Susan Sarandon make more sense when you understand their real motives.

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48. There are hundreds of millions of people that would be helped tremendously by an HRC presidency.

Nowhere did I say that the left should avoid challenging the Democratic party. There are plenty of ways to do that, which don't involve enabling the right, impoverishing millions, deporting millions, and destroying our planet.

No one is arguing that HRC (or the current Democratic party in general) is perfect. But hundreds of millions of people would have been helped by an HRC victory over a DJT victory, and tens of millions of them are going to suffer acutely because HRC did not win. And those are just people in this country, before we even talk about the rest of the world.

By ignoring the vast chasm between HRC and DJT, Sarandon is making an explicit decision to deprioritize the concrete and gigantic differences between HRC and DJT, and all the people who will now suffer because of those differences. That would be a morally indefensible in and of itself. But it is even more indefensible in light of the fact that a large portion of what people like Susan are looking for (and the timeframe in which they want it) would only be found in a fantasy world -- a world that ignores basic truths about how politics works that have been known for hundreds of years. This isn't particularly difficult to learn or understand. While some people do not have the opportunity to become educated about the basics about our system, and how change occurs in our system, Susan has no excuse. She may honestly believe some of what she is saying, but at a certain point, refusal to acknowledge basic facts becomes wilfull blindness. Such blindness makes a lot more sense for someone who cares primarily about being able to complain, than it does for someone that prioritizes actual positive change.

It is interesting that you say that I should focus on her strong arguments. Have you seen the interview between Susan and Chris? She spent the entire interview completely ignoring the arguments he was making, and instead telling Chris that his questions weren't important enough for her to answer. This is similar among all people I have ever spoken to that have similar views to Susan, and is one major reason people don't take their arguments seriously (from a moral or intellectual standpoint). If someone actually believes that we were so "fucked" before (her words) that the difference between HRC and DJT doesn't matter, then they should be prepared to explain to tens of millions of people why their health insurance just really isn't a big deal, or their ability to stay in this country isnt really all that important in the grand scheme of things, or that the health of the planet isnt a top priority (since after all, we can easily switch planets when necessary). But they will NEVER argue this, for obvious reasons: such arguments are self refuting.