In defense of Susan Sarandon, and by extension Jill Stein et. al. ?

[hunter]

126. I'm not going to defend them in any way. Not even Bernie Sanders.

My politics are left of all of them and my views as an environmentalist are extreme. I think Ralph Nader is a right center stooge.

Nevertheless my voting is practical. I'm proud to say I voted for Obama and Hillary Clinton.

Obama is one of the great Presidents of U.S. history. I say that even as I consider his politics slightly right of what I see as the center. But Obama represented this nation well. This nation is strongly right of center. Maybe forty percent of U.S. Americans are authoritarians who'd have coped without complaint had the Nazis won World War II, just like in Philip K. Dick's "Man in the High Castle." Ashes are falling today because they are burning the corpses of useless people at the hospital. No problem. They were dragging us down.

Hillary Clinton shares Obama's competence as a leader. She would have been a very competent U.S. President, worthy of my respect.

As for Trump, there's no way in hell I'm going to go hunting for ponies and unicorns in all that shit.

I'm thinking back to some of my misspent youth... I was an enthusiastic supporter of Jimmy Carter. I was also some kind of joyful skinny-dipping anti-nuclear-activist granola-eating hippie. That was when I began to notice those who wore all the trappings of the left, but just under the surface they were Ronald Reagan Republicans. The men did all the "real" work, the women stayed at home taking care of the kids and preparing vegetarian meals served precisely one hour after dad got home. They had black friends, Very Ozzie and Harriet, only the fashions were different, trading a white-shirt-and-tie for tiedye.

There is no defense for those sorts of tie dye leftism or innumerate environmentalism. On the axis of witless and authoritarian politics, that leftism curve really is a horseshoe where the leftist extremists draw closer to the right wingnut extremists.

I've zero patience for those who can't do the math but pretend they have done the math.

I don't regard Susan Sarandon or Jill Stein as allies.