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LWolf

(46,179 posts)
229. To be honest,
Sat Feb 18, 2017, 01:17 PM
Feb 2017

this thread feels like fighting the primaries all over again. I agree with much of what you said, but this:

Some who identified with us said stupid things in the past and they deserve denunciation. And we have denounced and renounced them.


And "some" (read "way to fucking many&quot of those on the neoliberal side of the divide did the same, AND ARE STILL DOING SO. We have nothing to apologize for.

We admit we made mistakes in talking about this in the primaries and we know we need to correct all of those mistakes and avoid repeating them if we are to play any meaningful role in the future.

I admit nothing of the kind, because I don't think that's true.

For the rest, I'm in agreement. I'm moving forward to resist oppression and work for progressive, inclusive, positive change for the 99%. And that, my friend, is not about the Democratic Party, nor the factions within the Party. It's about the people. If we're going to be inclusive, we can't wall ourselves within the party. That's exclusive, and it's limiting. The Democratic Party, and all or some of it's factions, are invited to be part of the process; welcomed, even. But the issues, and the way forward? It's not a partisan thing. It's bigger than that.

Yesterday, you literally claimed anyone not supporting Ellison was anti-Muslim. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #1
This - and claiming HRC supporters played the race and gender cards. STOP IT!! bettyellen Feb 2017 #4
Stop what? Stop working for change? Stop trying to revive this party? Ken Burch Feb 2017 #10
stop posting bullshit. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #11
It would be refreshing Hekate Feb 2017 #37
+1 betsuni Feb 2017 #205
I'm glad to see I have some like-minded DU'ers here speaking up. NBachers Feb 2017 #265
This. A thousand times this. nt Codeine Feb 2017 #273
There is no large Sanders movement outside of the mind of HA Goodman. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #14
You are correct. Except in the minds of people who think the womens march was due to Bernie.. boston bean Feb 2017 #98
Sorry Bernie has done nothing to really fight Trump other Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #194
Speaking of the Women's March- I saw a guy there sporting a huge Bernie 2020 sign. NBachers Feb 2017 #266
I would not do that...but I don't think Bernie would be a good choice. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #300
Sanders failed to unite his faction behind the Democratic nominee, lapucelle Feb 2017 #356
Sanders had a lot of votes - many from Democrats mvd Feb 2017 #17
Those who supported Hillary are also progressive and there is no such movement. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #195
+ 1 Fresh_Start Feb 2017 #218
I go there every once in a while and marvel at the support for Trump even now. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #220
No, they are not remotely progressive The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #249
Stop making divisive claims about HRC supporters being Islamaphobic or playing race and gender cards bettyellen Feb 2017 #20
And, I might add, then self-deleted that accusatory OP. George II Feb 2017 #24
Many people are opposed to remaking the Democratic party in Sanders image Gothmog Feb 2017 #35
What do YOU think that would mean? Ken Burch Feb 2017 #278
So in the next election you have a mainstream dem, repub, and a 3rd party person who cant win Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #102
What 3rd party person are you talking about? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #103
I'd vote for the Dem. I proved that in 2016 by campaigning hard for Hillary in the fall. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #107
Good to hear, then you can help spread the word, that voting for one of the 2 parties Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #223
Well it would not be the first time those who who purport to support liberalism but are Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #196
You don't revive a party by Progressive dog Feb 2017 #183
Nobody's attacking Hillary and she's no longer our leader. She's the past. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #279
Sanders/Hillary rivalry is in the past, but it lives on Progressive dog Feb 2017 #288
We had the result we just had lapucelle Feb 2017 #361
These sort of posts are not helpful in fighting Trump. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #193
Good OP Ken. We must keep up the fight despite the whining bitter crowd in here LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #243
That is a beautiful post. Thank you. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #284
Calling people who disagree with you bitter and whiny...people Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #306
That's the thing....they actually DON'T disagree with me (ie. most Sanders supporters) LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #316
It comes from the belief that he costs us the election. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #318
Lets all just move on LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #328
You know what? Had Bernie won. I would not have been 'gutted', Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #339
by "gutted" i meant very dissappointed. LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #340
Sorry...many of Bernie's supporters did not come home for the election. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #352
"come home"? I guess that is where we disagree LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #370
Many have changed their views on same sex marriage including Obama... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #372
Bernie Sanders just accidentally explained why his political revolution has failed Gothmog Feb 2017 #379
If only. Unfortunately, I doubt it will be so easy. And ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #25
. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #26
You're right, Bernie is not a typical Democrat... indeed, based on his views, he's MORE of a Democrat than most Democrats. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #55
This zentrum Feb 2017 #80
Yep, this. chwaliszewski Feb 2017 #84
Thank you dragonlady Feb 2017 #94
He is not a Democrat at all-he has said this. He is an independent who caucuses with the Democrats. MADem Feb 2017 #119
Exactly The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #250
No, he's had his chance. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #154
Nope, he tried and failed the first time, ok... now it's his turn. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #177
There's no such thing as being entitled to a turn in politics, especially pnwmom Feb 2017 #182
Funny that some are willing to give Sanders a second shot lapucelle Feb 2017 #362
You can't live in the past...he had his chance...time to move on. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #307
Amen! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #172
If this is really true, then he needs to run as a Democrat in 2018 Gothmog Feb 2017 #184
THIS radical noodle Feb 2017 #377
No,you can't be 'more' of a Democrat if you refuse to join the party... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #197
You have to admit NO ONE has worked harder to stop the Nazi-in-Chief than Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #232
My gawd you are right LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #239
You're so right... well said. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #244
I think it is because many think he helped us lose to Trump by Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #256
Not during the primaries LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #261
Try Google ... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #353
What exactly has he done that is so remarkable? Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #254
Yep! Nedsdag Feb 2017 #237
And yet Sanders will not amend his FEC filings to run as a Democrat in 2018 Gothmog Feb 2017 #329
Why should he? That's why Bernie's popular and gets elected in Vermont... Why so hung up on labels? His POLICIES are more Democratic than most Democrats! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #331
If Sanders wants to remake the Democratic party in his image, he needs to be a part of it Gothmog Feb 2017 #332
Yes--I saw that and found it incredibly offensive. Ken Burch, you aren't helping the cause MADem Feb 2017 #117
Remaking the party into the failed image of Sanders will not help the party Gothmog Feb 2017 #185
Why do you bring up he primaries in thread after thread? You did that, not anyone else. bettyellen Feb 2017 #2
He can't stop. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #5
that was special. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #9
It's not refighting the primaries to keep working for what I care about. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #13
I commend you Ken... and I expect many, if not most, Hillary supporters will campaign for Bernie in 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #58
Should Have Used Suspect vs Expect otohara Feb 2017 #366
That would be unfortunate. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #381
I campaigned hard for Hillary in the fall. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #108
You charged HRC supporters with playing a race card!! And then you claimed Dems are Islamaphobic... bettyellen Feb 2017 #111
What I said was that rejecting Keith Ellison could be TAKEN as Islamophobia Ken Burch Feb 2017 #114
Stop parsing that bullshit. You know how deeply you have offended people so I don't know why you bettyellen Feb 2017 #125
This is not what you said. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #171
The ADL should also be listened to Gothmog Feb 2017 #188
All you've got is the ADL and Dershowitz. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #285
The ADL is separate from Dershowitz Gothmog Feb 2017 #292
Evidently it is okay to tell Jewish voters not to be part of the Democratic party Gothmog Feb 2017 #330
Keith Ellison Would Be A Disaster As DNC Head, Haim Saban Says Gothmog Feb 2017 #384
Has sanders amended his FEC filings yet to run as a Democrat? Gothmog Feb 2017 #3
He's not going to run for president again so it doesn't matter. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Feb 2017 #21
You mean like telling the Democratic Party that it was Islamaphobic if they did not vote for Ellison Gothmog Feb 2017 #34
He's running for Senator again, and he's already filed and organized a re-election committee........ George II Feb 2017 #54
I've been watching and listening to him recently ... either he's been ill, or he's lost his "fire". NurseJackie Feb 2017 #215
You're wrong about that Ken... it's a gimmie Bernie runs again... it's his turn. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #59
Are you a parody account? SaschaHM Feb 2017 #92
I doubt that Sanders will be accepted by the party if he ran Gothmog Feb 2017 #191
Oh whatever. nt Codeine Feb 2017 #274
You're a victim now? nt Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2017 #6
always and forever. nt La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #8
Tell me about it. This BS just keeps going and going... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #28
those of you who called Tom Perez 'establishment', 'neoliberal, 'corporatist' La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #7
If it's your middle option, it guarantees the other two apply. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #23
Insult people who don't support your DNC candidate one day mcar Feb 2017 #42
+1000000! SammyWinstonJack Feb 2017 #45
my islamaphobia is not battling my xenophobia La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #51
You said it... Bernie is truly the only candidate that can unite us and he will! The revolution continues... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #178
Wrong...no Democrat will let Bernie run our primary Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #199
You might be right... guess we'll see. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #230
Umm, no mcar Feb 2017 #228
Lol. Never gonna happen La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #275
Guess we'll see. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #276
Really? I don't think so. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #355
If you have to say you're not refighting the primaries, then MineralMan Feb 2017 #12
The "refighting the primaries" canard is about silencing discussion. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #15
Well, neither Hillary nor Bernie are going to be candidates in 2020. MineralMan Feb 2017 #32
My point is about the ideas his campaign stood for and those who want to work for them. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #106
You and your ideas lost me NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #126
Please understand that Bernie espoused values found in the Democratic Party for Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #200
I know they were there, but they always lost in the party to corporate centrism in the past. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #280
I know many of you who supported Sanders think Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #299
That only makes sense if the sanders policies were actually popular with voters Gothmog Feb 2017 #380
perhaps one could espouse the values without associating them with a particular politician nt msongs Feb 2017 #16
Yeah. These are 'Democratic' values. Trying to subvert that just pisses people off. randome Feb 2017 #27
Dude... ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #19
Despite your disclaimer, this is indeed "re-fighting the primaries". George II Feb 2017 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #29
can we stop with this strawman crap forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #30
Ken you are fighting the primaries here by posting this here. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #31
Call it a manifesto if you wish... sheshe2 Feb 2017 #33
When it becomes all about being loyal to him it is refighting. bravenak Feb 2017 #36
Just stop. Enough. Seriously. Stop it. It's over. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #38
Hear, hear!!! NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #89
I'm nit bashing Sanders... fun n serious Feb 2017 #39
Bernie DEFINES Democratic values... he has shown us the way forward... it's time we heed the call and follow him! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #61
NO Skittles Feb 2017 #87
I disagree. fun n serious Feb 2017 #90
Not going to happen. n/t pnwmom Feb 2017 #155
Thanks Ken saidsimplesimon Feb 2017 #40
This shit again? murielm99 Feb 2017 #41
Damn, there sure is a lot of ankle biting going on in this discussion thread Bucky Feb 2017 #43
Why We Lost CitizenZero Feb 2017 #44
Well said, my sentiments exactly. HopeAgain Feb 2017 #49
EXCEPT Skittles Feb 2017 #52
Here here! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #62
We LOST because the Russians and Comey made sure she wasn't going to win. Cha Feb 2017 #73
And they control the house, senate, a majority of the governors, etc. because? HopeAgain Feb 2017 #79
I said Hillary Lost because the Russians and Comey made sure she Cha Feb 2017 #82
Very good point, HopeAgain. Welcome to DU! JudyM Feb 2017 #116
for the same reason White cops on Video killing innocent black people are still not convicted . JI7 Feb 2017 #145
When the top of the ballot loses...everyone loses. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #201
Gerrymandering and voter suppression but you already know that too uponit7771 Feb 2017 #286
stop making excuses for white racists. and stop acting like POC can't be working class . JI7 Feb 2017 #144
+1, exactly uponit7771 Feb 2017 #187
Who Mentioned That? CitizenZero Feb 2017 #235
non white working class voted for Clinton JI7 Feb 2017 #258
That Is True CitizenZero Feb 2017 #260
no. trump got a bunch of white people who didn't vote before to vote for him over race JI7 Feb 2017 #262
Fair Enough CitizenZero Feb 2017 #333
Nicely said!! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #174
Comey, Voter suppression, Russia... !!!! all else is bullshit and you're still wrong. Cheating doesn uponit7771 Feb 2017 #186
We lost narrowly because of a bitter divided primary...and who caused that? Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #202
Anti-Democratic? CitizenZero Feb 2017 #238
No more independents running in our primaries and trashing the party for months... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #253
Let's be very clear here..Bernie Sanders did NOT have a "right to run" The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #257
By That Logic CitizenZero Feb 2017 #259
What logic are you talking about? The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #291
I Might Concede That Point CitizenZero Feb 2017 #334
The Party has no right to stop anyone from running for office as a Democrat. (nt) PotatoChip Feb 2017 #289
So if Steve Bannon said one day The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #290
Well CitizenZero Feb 2017 #335
Here is the statement I was responding to The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #337
Anyone CitizenZero Feb 2017 #341
"Anyone" means anyone The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #344
Fine CitizenZero Feb 2017 #346
We were on the ground in PA. lapucelle Feb 2017 #363
You are absolutely correct about economic issues are directly related to bigotry/racism... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #46
You see, Ken? See? It's shitty and divisive posts like this that result from posts such as ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #53
serously? Your first post was a prime example of what this brings out in people. Why look further. JCanete Feb 2017 #66
Oh, you! :-D Flatterer! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #69
Have you gone to a party meeting yet? Gothmog Feb 2017 #267
Hey Goth! nt JCanete Feb 2017 #271
Have you been to a party meeting yet? Gothmog Feb 2017 #293
Whether one is a FDR/JFK/Sanders Democrat or a Clinton DLC Democrat - Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #68
Yeah, sure. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #71
He is populist with principles, most of which is lacking in the two parties nolabels Feb 2017 #217
You forgot the NRA, the military industrial complex, and toxic waste profiteers. lapucelle Feb 2017 #364
Exactly.. this is what burch is doing. Cha Feb 2017 #76
It takes two to tango... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #176
If you don't like the dance, you should probably take your concerns to the band-leader OP. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #180
No, it's the correct reply. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #219
I think it needs an edit for parallel structure lapucelle Feb 2017 #365
On what do you base that opinion radical noodle Feb 2017 #378
Bernie's a strong, principled man. Our Party can benefit from his values. jalan48 Feb 2017 #47
Of course, the implication here is that the Democratic party is therefore "weak" and "unprincipled". NurseJackie Feb 2017 #48
Stay positive and support the good ones. jalan48 Feb 2017 #50
Support the good ones? It's unclear what that's supposed to mean exactly. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #56
People like Bernie. Strong and principled. jalan48 Feb 2017 #60
people also preferred HRC to him, and Obama. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #63
Absolutely. jalan48 Feb 2017 #64
Bernie's so called vaules are Democratic values and always were Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #209
I'm sorry you feel this way. Bernie is a strong and principled man. jalan48 Feb 2017 #216
Millions more didn't respond to him but Democras have always Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #222
Yes, benefit as in WIN!! Bernie will eat President Chump's lunch in 2020. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #65
I love it! jalan48 Feb 2017 #67
Running as a Democrat? I'll be surprised... I think he's burned that bridge. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #72
I disagree Jackie... but, obviously, we'll see... I don't think Bernie will have much of a following UNLESS he runs as a Democrat... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2017 #86
When he "declared" he was a Democrat to run for our party's nomination ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #93
After the way the Party treated him ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #179
Politicians need to be tougher than that. Especially ones who aspire to be president. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #181
I never suggested that's why he left. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #225
Yes. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #231
I do understand that certain districts require more conservative Democrats. Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #236
Leave? Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #207
Four things I think are true...Nader will not run for the presidency in 2020 (1) Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #309
I certainly hope so. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #210
No Offense CitizenZero Feb 2017 #336
We welcome independent voters...However Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #338
I Agree CitizenZero Feb 2017 #342
Has he joined the party yet? Last I saw he was not running as a Democrat in 2018 Gothmog Feb 2017 #268
I'd rather have Bernie than "Democrat" Joe Manchin of West Virgina. Thanks. jalan48 Feb 2017 #270
Bernie could not win in WVA. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #277
It's interesting that he won the primary there. Perhaps voters are much more progressive than jalan48 Feb 2017 #294
Come on seriously... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #296
Come on seriously-voters wanted change in 2016. jalan48 Feb 2017 #297
Trump stole the election and you can't run on 'change' if Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #303
Hopefully we learned something in 2016. jalan48 Feb 2017 #308
Never welcome an independent to run as a Democrat...is what I learned. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #310
We want your vote but not you! I like it. I'm sure it will attract independent voters in 2018 jalan48 Feb 2017 #313
If you are independent by definintion, we can't count on your vote. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #314
Thank you for sharing this. Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #57
"I'm not ranting and raving! I'm having fun."...nt SidDithers Feb 2017 #70
You're right about that. The evidence is in your favor ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #81
Recommended. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #74
I'm honestly so sick of hearing his name and each time I see it I like him less NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #75
Thank you! Cha Feb 2017 #77
Thank you. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #83
+1000 Laurian Feb 2017 #85
I feel the same exact way. butdiduvote Feb 2017 #100
Your charge of "Naderized" is utter horseshit. Jim Lane Feb 2017 #161
Intimating Sanders elongated primary run helped is even more bullshit uponit7771 Feb 2017 #190
Thank you. They just live in their own alternative reality. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #198
This is precisely the kind of bickering that hurts the Democratic Party Jim Lane Feb 2017 #208
There should be a time limit because supporters need time to grieve their candidate's loss NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #226
** YES! ** NurseJackie Feb 2017 #233
Pointing out where we need to change is not bickering, elongated primary next time wont help either uponit7771 Feb 2017 #247
By "Naderized" I mean that many will forever blame Bernie for Trump winning NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #224
I have similar feelings and reflexive intestinal responses. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #234
Some people irrationally conflate Bernie and Nader Jim Lane Feb 2017 #315
You are just making me dislike him even more, you know. NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #317
I'll try to respect your closed-mindededness but you have to do your part Jim Lane Feb 2017 #325
Wrong. I compared how people FEEL about him to how they FEEL about Nader NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #343
You've refuted an argument I didn't make Jim Lane Feb 2017 #349
I completely agree. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #357
+1 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #213
We're stronger together? Sunlei Feb 2017 #78
yep JHan Feb 2017 #110
Wow... Again, do not have the energy for this! HenryWallace Feb 2017 #88
Bad choice of title. Rex Feb 2017 #91
I'll K&R this, but... DanTex Feb 2017 #95
Very well said - why fight tooth and nail to win the battle when there's a whole war out there? George II Feb 2017 #101
I wish I could recommend your post. herding cats Feb 2017 #123
It's arrogance when you assume only Sanders supporters have those views nini Feb 2017 #96
1000 sheshe2 Feb 2017 #212
Arrogance. Yes... that's the perfect word to describe it. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #214
You completely lost all credibility yesterday with your Ellison thread. tammywammy Feb 2017 #97
Yes. Thank you. His "self-deleted" thread was erased from this site, but not from our memories. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #105
Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #287
"now I'm not racist, but blah-bla-blah"............ George II Feb 2017 #295
Post removed Post removed Feb 2017 #99
What is this "HRC squad" that you're referring to? George II Feb 2017 #120
"HRC Squad"?? That's unnecessarily offensive. Why go there and start that shit up again? NurseJackie Feb 2017 #122
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2017 #104
Welcome back. JudyM Feb 2017 #112
Oh, hello there! Are you the same "Armstead" from before? If so, I'd like to go ahead and ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #121
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2017 #124
Thank you for your honesty. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #127
Welcome back. pat_k Feb 2017 #128
Jesus! You make it sound as though you believe the party is your enemy... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #129
When Dem party's so-called "leaders" refused to impeach Bush & Cheney... pat_k Feb 2017 #139
I'll take that as a "yes", then. Our Democratic Party is your enemy and oppressor, right? NurseJackie Feb 2017 #140
Don't put words in my mouth. pat_k Feb 2017 #141
Asked and answered. Thank you very much. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #142
Still "offended"? pat_k Feb 2017 #146
Oh, hi there! Hello! That was yesterday. I've already forgotten all about you and moved on. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #173
Did Sanders ever Call for Impeachment ? he was in office, what did he do to get support for JI7 Feb 2017 #143
Good question. Cha Feb 2017 #147
He did. H. Res 635 on March 09, 2006 pat_k Feb 2017 #151
that is to form some committee to look into it. nothing to show he actually called for impeachment JI7 Feb 2017 #153
Answered your duplicate post on subject. pat_k Feb 2017 #159
This is from the linked newspaper article. lapucelle Feb 2017 #368
Yes. Signed H. Res 635 on March 09, 2006 pat_k Feb 2017 #150
that's to get a committee to look into it. i don't see anywhere where he actually JI7 Feb 2017 #152
Creating a committee in 109th Congress with H.Res. 635... pat_k Feb 2017 #158
if that was the most serious than they were not actually serious about doing it at all JI7 Feb 2017 #160
Committee tasked with investigation sends articles to the floor. pat_k Feb 2017 #162
there wasn't much effort to do it JI7 Feb 2017 #163
Obviously, you weren't around. pat_k Feb 2017 #164
i was around and Sanders did not support Vermont towns which voted to impeach Bush JI7 Feb 2017 #165
How did he "not support the towns"? pat_k Feb 2017 #166
said there was no evidence, said to focus on doing other things JI7 Feb 2017 #167
asinine thing for him to say pat_k Feb 2017 #168
There was, according to the story, constituent pressure lapucelle Feb 2017 #371
Already responded, but I'll take another shot. pat_k Feb 2017 #373
These were not articles of impeachment. It was a resolution to form lapucelle Feb 2017 #369
I remember him calling for a primary, but I can't recall one for an impeachment. lapucelle Feb 2017 #367
Why do you feel such toxic hatred for progressives and activists? Ken Burch Feb 2017 #282
I reject your entire premise, Ken. You'll have to do better than that. WANT TO TRY AGAIN?? NurseJackie Feb 2017 #298
Great post Gothmog Feb 2017 #322
You know who I see at the resistance meetings? Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #358
I took a long break about 8 years ago too.... George II Feb 2017 #131
His original username, Armstead, is currently flagged for review. n/t tammywammy Feb 2017 #132
So it's just that easy to return? I have a friend who's been FFR status for-freaking-ever... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #133
Apparently not. Looks like it's been "auto removed". Well... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #135
Correct. BTW, as of a few minutes ago, his second username/account/membership has been banned. George II Feb 2017 #134
I'd be lying if I said I was sorry to hear that... and my momma didn't raise no liar. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #136
Might that site go by the acronym of "Just Point Right"? George II Feb 2017 #137
:-D You're funny! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #138
That site is full of trump supporters and russian fake news Gothmog Feb 2017 #269
Surely not the values of attacking John Lewis and Dolores Huerta. nt LexVegas Feb 2017 #109
Agreed. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #115
ENOUGH!!!! I have had enough of people that pin everything on a 25% issue. Blue_true Feb 2017 #113
If you're talking about the Bobs, I've never defended them. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #118
Thank you, Blue_true.. well said! Cha Feb 2017 #148
I'm with HER! :-) WinkyDink Feb 2017 #130
Bernie Sanders ... NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #149
In the final analysis, the vote was so close that a number of factors pnwmom Feb 2017 #156
I know.. so yeah.. I'm not impressed with sanders at all. I want to hear Cha Feb 2017 #169
I want Dems with Vision.. like Like Senator Al Franken, Rep Maxine Waters, Senator Kamala Harris.. Cha Feb 2017 #170
1000+ Thanks Nance. nt Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #211
Thanks for a great post ! ciaobaby Feb 2017 #157
Ken, didn't I tell you to take the weekend? nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #175
SO whats the problem - GET OUT THERE AND SUPPORT IT! In particular Bernies SS bill - I came to DU Kashkakat v.2.0 Feb 2017 #189
What is the point of these divisive posts...and it is Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #192
"divisiveness" Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #242
No it does not sound familar because I believe it is untrue... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #251
Yes, those are Democratic values. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #283
TOTAL FAIL, Ken!! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #304
... betsuni Feb 2017 #203
That ... is perfect! Nicely done. NurseJackie Feb 2017 #206
Holy Mother of God njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #204
What movement? Is there a movement? Are you its spokesperson? frazzled Feb 2017 #221
This drooling worship of one man who can't even be bothered to join the Democratic Party... randome Feb 2017 #227
I agree completely. nt Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #252
To be honest, LWolf Feb 2017 #229
This is like asking what someone has against Christian compassion. randome Feb 2017 #240
Wonderful Post - Why has it made so many people angry? Ned Flanders Feb 2017 #241
+1000 LiberalLovinLug Feb 2017 #245
Well stated and true. Sincerely, a Hillary supporter. nt LAS14 Feb 2017 #246
Thank you. Ken Burch Feb 2017 #281
Which party? The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #248
OK, the Loyalty Test, again saidsimplesimon Feb 2017 #255
Organized party? BarackTheVote Feb 2017 #263
Yes, I agree. alarimer Feb 2017 #264
Good points mvd Feb 2017 #272
We're supposed to believe our only choice is center-right to alt-right. Bullshit! brewens Feb 2017 #301
Then work within the party Gothmog Feb 2017 #312
It is not a good idea to remake the Democratic party into the image of someone who is not a Democrat Gothmog Feb 2017 #302
Preach! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #305
Amen Gothmog Feb 2017 #311
No problem. I don't think we should make the party in anybody's image. What should our values be, JCanete Feb 2017 #319
Your feelings are meaningless Gothmog Feb 2017 #321
Your logic is not sound. I have actually deferred to you in earlier conversations, because of your JCanete Feb 2017 #323
You have presented no logic and I really do not care about your feelings/non-expert opinions Gothmog Feb 2017 #324
Nailed it on that poster. LexVegas Feb 2017 #354
I was getting tired of posters giving us their feelings/unsubstantiated opinions Gothmog Feb 2017 #360
I worked very hard last cycle to turn Harris County blue Gothmog Feb 2017 #326
Then neither would attacking the "movement". Jakes Progress Feb 2017 #320
Here is my view of it. JNelson6563 Feb 2017 #327
I was a Clinton delegate to the DNC Gothmog Feb 2017 #345
Bad Treatment CitizenZero Feb 2017 #347
I learned a term at the convention that I like-Whipping infrastructure Gothmog Feb 2017 #348
I'm not sure how your post applies to mine. JNelson6563 Feb 2017 #350
I was actually at the convention and saw the nastiness of the Sanders delegates first hand Gothmog Feb 2017 #374
Ok, I was remiss JNelson6563 Feb 2017 #382
The Sanders people were complete jerks at the Texas state convention also Gothmog Feb 2017 #383
I don't doubt it. JNelson6563 Feb 2017 #386
In the real world the candidates screen and approve their national delegates Gothmog Feb 2017 #387
Instead of calling it "the Sanders movement" vlyons Feb 2017 #351
That is a great suggestion. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #359
This is an agenda that failed to bring any new voters to the party Gothmog Feb 2017 #375
The future of the party right now is not a failed set of proposals but Indivisible and Trump Gothmog Feb 2017 #376
You're playing yourself Ken. forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #385
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Feb 2017 #388
I sort of agree and disagree forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #389
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