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In reply to the discussion: This Whole Discussion Around Free Speech and Milo Yiannopoulos is Causing a Rift on the Left [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)58. They have agreements on the issue, and when we look like we are trying to shut down speech, we do
cede some high ground. It does make us look like we are afraid of tackling the content, which is really really easy to dismantle.
That doesn't mean this isn't a really complicated subject. Why does somebody get a venue at Berkeley, who is speaking antiquated hate rhetoric that has no actual academic value. Sadly, what came out of it was an intellectual conversation about free speech, but I'm not sure what he offered any discourse before he became a case of protecting free speech for all of us by protecting it for the worst of us.
And I get the actual threat that is heaped on targeted groups by his kind of rhetoric, so I understand the will to shut him down, especially given the venue. I presume he was just going to get a platform to talk his bullshit unmolested. But in retrospect, he's a bigger deal now than he ever would have been. If anything, going on Maher undermined much of his message. It was sloppy and transparently provocative, and he showed himself to be really really confused about his own identity.
I grant you Maher isn't perfect. He's good on some things, and outright shitty on others. Another prime example where he should be taken to task with sunlight on those misconceptions rather than to be barred from certain campuses. In his case, it makes very little sense to me. Is he stupid on Islam? Fuck yeah. Call him out publicly for it. Force him to defend his perspective in the face of the facts he ignores. He has a huge platform already. Take an opportunity to challenge him where you can.
If I have a concern about shutting down certain perspectives, it is not about those poor people Maher and Milo. They are doing fine, and better when they get protested or barred. They have more free speech than most of us. My concern is that our future thinkers are going to be more inclined to exercise their power -when they have it- to not hear a perspective, rather than to hear it well, which is important not just so that they continue to challenge their own, but so that they can better challenge the fallacies in opposing perspectives.
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This Whole Discussion Around Free Speech and Milo Yiannopoulos is Causing a Rift on the Left [View all]
DemocraticSocialist8
Feb 2017
OP
The issue about protest and Yiannopoulos concerned _violent_ protest. The threat of violence...
PoliticAverse
Feb 2017
#1
Milo is an attention whore like Ann Coulter, he is best ignored or mocked mercilessly
Fast Walker 52
Feb 2017
#2
I sure hope he wafts into obscurity... he doesn't even have anything interesting to say, from
Fast Walker 52
Feb 2017
#79
I agree... freedom of speech is fine but it's still wrong to use it to say stupid hateful things
Fast Walker 52
Feb 2017
#87
What exactly is "dangerous" speech? ---Acknowledge it? How about defining it?
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2017
#6
One person's opinion is not an ironclad objective standard, but-- okay, lets break that down:
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2017
#17
Maher is also long-time pals with Ann Coulter, who is on his show all the time.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2017
#12
If you don't want to see right-wing asshats, you definitely shouldn't watch his show.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2017
#18
They have agreements on the issue, and when we look like we are trying to shut down speech, we do
JCanete
Feb 2017
#58
And there is no right to not be challenged based on your bigoted views
DemocraticSocialist8
Feb 2017
#39
It's not up to the state to do that challenging. The answer to bad speech is more speech. n/t
X_Digger
Feb 2017
#80
I am all for free speech. But it is extremely irresponsible of people like Maher to give
AgadorSparticus
Feb 2017
#27
I didn't watch it. People don't have to watch it. This is on Maher giving him a platform.
AgadorSparticus
Feb 2017
#99
"Free speech" means I can call that hate-speecher Milo asshole a fucking asshole and
50 Shades Of Blue
Feb 2017
#30
I'm agreeing with the OP's point that hate speech needs to be called out!
50 Shades Of Blue
Feb 2017
#52
I am a Cal alumni and think Milo should have been heavily demonstrated but non-violently
PufPuf23
Feb 2017
#33
No, that buffoon is not causing a rift although it's interesting that you decide to do an OP
KittyWampus
Feb 2017
#49
One, comparing this, as Larry Wilmore put it, "little douchey ass" to Hitler is inane.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2017
#70
by who? Who gets to make the determination about who is Hitler? Do not tell me you don't see
JCanete
Feb 2017
#89
Indeed if there hadn't been the violent protest virtually no one would be talking about Milo Y....
PoliticAverse
Feb 2017
#74
I've heard from a lot of people who have said they were curious what all the fuss was about
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2017
#97
Milo went on Bill Maher and he was told to go fuck himself at least 3 times.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2017
#96
This I'll defend your right to free speech but best believe I'll refute it if I disagree.
TrekLuver
Feb 2017
#98