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Sancho

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79. People suspected Reagan had dementia while he was in office...
Sun Feb 19, 2017, 08:24 AM
Feb 2017

but the public was never allowed to see a diagnosis. Likely, many Presidents have hidden medical problems.

In this case, there may be a diagnosis in Trump's records, but no one has really seen a health history; just like his tax returns.

To lots of professionals he shows characteristics of personality disorder, but also characteristics of some kind of reading or processing disorder like a learning disability. He has strange and ritualistic gestures, repeats phrases, uses very unusual syntax, and doesn't read out loud.

With his money and protected life style, he seems to have depended on family and staff to compensate for obvious issues. Most concerning are the delusions where he seems to believe misinformation or repeats fabrications. It's hard to conclude that he is only a showman (to me), because he sometimes repeats information that would have no rational use for supporters or his goals except that he simply believes (at that moment) something that is simply incorrect. He has learned to use lies to gain advantage. He probably is a serial sexual predator who has gotten away with it because of his status. That's not really so unusual.

I actually think he probably has average ability (intelligence) or slightly above average, but likely has some diagnosable deficits. It's hard to say without testing. He is certainly not intelligent like Bill Clinton; because he doesn't seem to make intellectual connections or use vocabulary typical of high ability. He takes on emotional, adversarial connections to shock or take advantage, but not really new insights.

He also seems to have bits of paranoia, egocentricism, and meanness that may be narcissism, but seem more deeply rooted. He may have underlying physical problems that are not public related to his age, weight, etc.

His coping mechanisms seem to be coming out - he runs away from Washington to places he is comfortable, creates a false crowd to get support, and demands loyalty. He is clearly indifferent (lacks empathy) even for family. I'm guessing it will be harder and harder for Trump to keep up the job with his current strategy; and equally hard for the family and close handlers to maintain their support. Sooner or later he may have a public tantrum or some internal crisis will cause Trump to disappear or something really bizarre will surface.

We'll see what happens, but I'm hoping he won't make it 4 years. Likely the GOP leadership is hoping too.

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He is mentally ill MFM008 Feb 2017 #1
+1,000!!! AgadorSparticus Feb 2017 #3
Mental illness is not pornography loyalsister Feb 2017 #9
after 2 years of psychology MFM008 Feb 2017 #10
2 yrs? loyalsister Feb 2017 #19
I can diagnose Donald from right here. kwassa Feb 2017 #20
You can diagnosis to your hearts delight loyalsister Feb 2017 #24
I think it is both valid and reasonable. kwassa Feb 2017 #28
People are desperate to get rid of 45 loyalsister Feb 2017 #33
This mental illness claim is completely legitimate. kwassa Feb 2017 #38
Cautionary statement for DSM IV - TR rug Feb 2017 #73
I think you're going overboard with your criticism. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2017 #58
You may not realize it... lame54 Feb 2017 #82
And Bill Frist was sure he could diagnose Terri Schiavo mythology Feb 2017 #40
and you can take all the tea in China. kwassa Feb 2017 #41
I have a good friend who is a PHD clinical psychologist and professor. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2017 #42
I have a good friend who is a PHD clinical psychologist and professor. LenaBaby61 Feb 2017 #46
Yeah 2 years worth of Psychology MFM008 Feb 2017 #23
That's what I was MFM008 Feb 2017 #61
I don't understand how speaking of one person in particular tars everyone with the same brush. Demit Feb 2017 #12
It's bigotry in action loyalsister Feb 2017 #29
That's not an exact analogy. Demit Feb 2017 #37
People are saying mentally ill, dementia, loyalsister Feb 2017 #63
Thats a pretty broad brush MFM008 Feb 2017 #67
This seems to be on going issue here bdamomma Feb 2017 #49
He is mentally ill AND a bad person. LenaBaby61 Feb 2017 #45
He is both, clearly Alice11111 Feb 2017 #52
This yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #64
. Egnever Feb 2017 #71
I agree..he's not mentally ill but I wouldn't rule out a personality disorder. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #2
Personality disorders ARE mental illnesses NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #16
Ok I like this...yes he has a mental illness with a character defect and this shit show is the end TrekLuver Feb 2017 #30
I also think he is in the early stages of dementia. nt tblue37 Feb 2017 #26
Sorry, but you can be both mentally ill and an evil person JenniferJuniper Feb 2017 #4
yeah, well... he's mentally ill AND a bad person. Squinch Feb 2017 #5
Can we say "emotionally disturbed"? n/t ginnyinWI Feb 2017 #6
Mentally ill. Without question. Comatose Sphagetti Feb 2017 #7
and I agree. MFM008 Feb 2017 #68
Donald Trump Isnt Mentally Ill. Hes Just Unpleasant, Psychiatrist Says Kilgore Feb 2017 #8
If it's wrong to diagnose someone as mentally ill from afar, then it's just as wrong to Demit Feb 2017 #11
Not mentally ill is the default and does not need to be proven loyalsister Feb 2017 #22
That's what I'm saying. Dr Frances is saying Trump doesn't meet his criteria for Demit Feb 2017 #31
The Dr. is saying it is not legitimate to make the claim loyalsister Feb 2017 #34
The Dr said "I wrote the criteria that define this disorder, and Mr. Trump doesn't meet them." Demit Feb 2017 #39
Exactly loyalsister Feb 2017 #17
And he's full of shit up to his eyebrows NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #21
I think he DOES suffer from distress. He is clearly distressed when he tweets. Amaryllis Feb 2017 #43
He sees things that are clearly not there lame54 Feb 2017 #83
Trump is an evil person who also happens to be mentally ill NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #13
My question bdamomma Feb 2017 #55
Trump is a billh58 Feb 2017 #14
I think he's a dreadful, bad person probably with a personality disorder. NT Ilsa Feb 2017 #15
I just said the same thing to myself bdamomma Feb 2017 #57
Asshole, Dipshit, and Fuckwad are not in the DSM 5!!! NightWatcher Feb 2017 #18
they sure should be MFM008 Feb 2017 #69
But Antisocial Personality Disorder is. pat_k Feb 2017 #74
The Author of This New York Times Op-Ed Agrees. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2017 #25
He's a bad person who also has severe mental problems CanonRay Feb 2017 #27
I truly believe he is mentally ill and he is also a bad person nt doc03 Feb 2017 #32
It is possible to be both, ya know. nt Laffy Kat Feb 2017 #35
No cure for stupid Worktodo Feb 2017 #36
I will make it simple to understand from what I see. Doreen Feb 2017 #44
He could be both. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #47
He NUTS and drunk at the same time. Case closed! Stellar Feb 2017 #48
He is mentally unstable and unpredictable lynintenn Feb 2017 #50
I think he is both - he has a dark soul and is mentally ill Pachamama Feb 2017 #51
I believe he is mentally ill and a bad person. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #53
I think it is irrelevant. HopeAgain Feb 2017 #54
Trump is an asshole, evil, etc, AND MENTALLY ILL kennetha Feb 2017 #56
He is raving mad liberal N proud Feb 2017 #59
Oh, good. oldcynic Feb 2017 #60
Stop telling me what to say. trof Feb 2017 #62
You're not the boss of me now... yuiyoshida Feb 2017 #65
The two states of being are not mutually exclusive. He is both evil & perhaps sliding into dementia Hekate Feb 2017 #66
I suppose there's a possibility that he's acting... qdouble Feb 2017 #70
Psychopaths are not generally a nice bunch pat_k Feb 2017 #72
I don't know if he's bad pressbox69 Feb 2017 #75
Cheers to that loyalsister! C Moon Feb 2017 #76
There is nothing "normal" or "average" about his behavior. VOX Feb 2017 #77
Maybe he's just a huge ASSHOLE Soxfan58 Feb 2017 #78
People suspected Reagan had dementia while he was in office... Sancho Feb 2017 #79
Trump is both: mentally ill and bad. Vinca Feb 2017 #80
Fuck that - He's Crazy! lame54 Feb 2017 #81
Jerk, goof, oddball, pain in the ass-- JohnnyLib2 Feb 2017 #84
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