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JCanete

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94. What Hitler was saying shouldn't

Sun Feb 19, 2017, 06:55 PM

Feb 2017

have been ignored or placated. It should have been responded to full-throatedly by everyone who recognized the vileness of his words. You think shutting something down is even possible when you don't have the mechanisms of the state? All you do is to give it power when you try to do that.

And if you think that shutting free speech down with the mechanisms of the state is a good idea, I have no idea what to tell you. That is a lot of trust in authority to decide what is inappropriate or "Hitleresque."

How do you think such an approach would have been used or was, against people like Malcolm X and the Black Panther party?

It was NOT Hitler's magical rhetoric alone that gave him the power he had. It wasn't that magical. It spoke to people who weren't given a counter-argument. It won in a world of propaganda where opposing views were shut down. It can't win in a world where that isn't the case.

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This Whole Discussion Around Free Speech and Milo Yiannopoulos is Causing a Rift on the Left [View all] DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2017 OP

The issue about protest and Yiannopoulos concerned _violent_ protest. The threat of violence... PoliticAverse Feb 2017 #1

Milo is an attention whore like Ann Coulter, he is best ignored or mocked mercilessly Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #2

That's correct Yupster Feb 2017 #29

yep he's an internet creation starshine00 Feb 2017 #63

I sure hope he wafts into obscurity... he doesn't even have anything interesting to say, from Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #79

no, it wasn't a good showing starshine00 Feb 2017 #81

I agree... freedom of speech is fine but it's still wrong to use it to say stupid hateful things Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #87

Yep nt d_r Feb 2017 #76

This whole thing is a gigantic distraction. Initech Feb 2017 #3

+1000 Pachamama Feb 2017 #51

True that Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #66

Democracy doesn't rule the world, you better get that thru your head. hollowdweller Feb 2017 #4

he is like andy kaufman from the right dembotoz Feb 2017 #5

Kauffman UT_democrat Feb 2017 #32

What exactly is "dangerous" speech? ---Acknowledge it? How about defining it? Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #6

Dangerous speech is very well defined actually DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2017 #11

One person's opinion is not an ironclad objective standard, but-- okay, lets break that down: Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #17

I disagree DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2017 #24

Actually, that was Washington State. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #26

The second amendment guarantees Freedom of Speech, and what about Religion? Jim Beard Feb 2017 #20

You mean 1st Amendment, I think Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #21

I was co-mingling, suddenly trying to make two points with less words. :) Jim Beard Feb 2017 #22

Do you agree that the right to protest is also protected speech? DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2017 #25

Of course. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #73

Fuck all Speech Prohibitionists. MicaelS Feb 2017 #88

It blows me away. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #91

My 2 cents meadowlander Feb 2017 #7

Mahr had Yanno on his show because the two are kindred spirits and he knows it. kcr Feb 2017 #8

Maher is also long-time pals with Ann Coulter, who is on his show all the time. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #12

Laughing and agreeing with him sure showed him! n/t kcr Feb 2017 #16

If you don't want to see right-wing asshats, you definitely shouldn't watch his show. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #18

They have agreements on the issue, and when we look like we are trying to shut down speech, we do JCanete Feb 2017 #58

probably sees his younger self in him starshine00 Feb 2017 #64

No, not really... Milo's an asshole ...we see that ... we'll be ok uponit7771 Feb 2017 #9

Right. Why anyone would let such a troll Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #13

Protesting Yiannopoulos or anyone else is completely legitimate. WillowTree Feb 2017 #10

i saw him on Maher starshine00 Feb 2017 #68

Nah no rift, we can call an a-hole an a-hole. Best line from Larry WILMORE: UTUSN Feb 2017 #14

That punctured Milo's self love balloon a little bit flamingdem Feb 2017 #83

that was awesome, Wilmore was a great foil starshine00 Feb 2017 #84

Hate speech is not free speech. roamer65 Feb 2017 #15

Oh for fuck's sake. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #19

So.. quick question: Can people in Canada watch "Real Time"? Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #23

Fuck nebulous 'hate speech' idiocracy. X_Digger Feb 2017 #28

And there is no right to not be challenged based on your bigoted views DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2017 #39

It's not up to the state to do that challenging. The answer to bad speech is more speech. n/t X_Digger Feb 2017 #80

Actually not. J_William_Ryan Feb 2017 #40

Milo seemed like a halfwit on Maher starshine00 Feb 2017 #85

I am all for free speech. But it is extremely irresponsible of people like Maher to give AgadorSparticus Feb 2017 #27

He probably got good ratings Yupster Feb 2017 #31

I didn't watch it. People don't have to watch it. This is on Maher giving him a platform. AgadorSparticus Feb 2017 #99

I think it went really well starshine00 Feb 2017 #69

"Free speech" means I can call that hate-speecher Milo asshole a fucking asshole and 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #30

Only if they give you access to the public airwaves will it matter still_one Feb 2017 #43

That does not change my point. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #47

nor does it invalidate my response still_one Feb 2017 #48

I'm agreeing with the OP's point that hate speech needs to be called out! 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2017 #52

I am a Cal alumni and think Milo should have been heavily demonstrated but non-violently PufPuf23 Feb 2017 #33

I don't have an issue with it Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #34

+1 Vinnie From Indy Feb 2017 #61

See Signature Sen. Walter Sobchak Feb 2017 #35

Its important to remember J_William_Ryan Feb 2017 #36

there is no rift and no question of freedom of speech grantcart Feb 2017 #37

Maybe if democrats could gain control of the Government njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #38

Did the government stop Yiannopoulos from speaking? Caliman73 Feb 2017 #41

Berkeley should have never allowed him to book the event. njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #46

Jeremy Scahill perhaps has said it best still_one Feb 2017 #42

All free speech is dangerous to someone. HassleCat Feb 2017 #44

The Problem with Milo Is Not Free Speech Leith Feb 2017 #45

Is he really gay? njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #50

He Says He Is Leith Feb 2017 #53

Is there anything republicans won't do for money. njhoneybadger Feb 2017 #57

No, that buffoon is not causing a rift although it's interesting that you decide to do an OP KittyWampus Feb 2017 #49

Rift may be a little strong of a word to use... DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2017 #72

15 douches showed up outside a mosque in Toronto last night to protest applegrove Feb 2017 #54

Maybe among internet Warriors. JI7 Feb 2017 #55

Russia. dchill Feb 2017 #56

Imagine how many millions of lives would have been saved Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #59

One, comparing this, as Larry Wilmore put it, "little douchey ass" to Hitler is inane. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #70

Bullshit. Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #86

that's anti-Bovine hate speech Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #92

As are your views. former9thward Feb 2017 #93

by who? Who gets to make the determination about who is Hitler? Do not tell me you don't see JCanete Feb 2017 #89

Not all speech is free speech, not all speech is protected speech Blue Idaho Feb 2017 #90

What Hitler was saying shouldn't JCanete Feb 2017 #94

Your understanding of the 1st Amendment is woefully wrong. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #95

Just a thought DonaldsRump Feb 2017 #60

+10 Vinnie From Indy Feb 2017 #62

We're in agreement that violent protests are counter-productive DemocraticSocialist8 Feb 2017 #71

Indeed if there hadn't been the violent protest virtually no one would be talking about Milo Y.... PoliticAverse Feb 2017 #74

he definitely did some digging last night starshine00 Feb 2017 #82

Protesting a speaker is fine. Preventing a speaker from speaking is not OK aikoaiko Feb 2017 #65

He is not even a US Citizen, send him back home to Britain. Historic NY Feb 2017 #67

He's not worth dividing over BainsBane Feb 2017 #75

I've heard from a lot of people who have said they were curious what all the fuss was about Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #97

I think he's trolling everyone BainsBane Feb 2017 #100

Freedom of speech is a two way street Soxfan58 Feb 2017 #77

Milo went on Bill Maher and he was told to go fuck himself at least 3 times. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #96

This I'll defend your right to free speech but best believe I'll refute it if I disagree. TrekLuver Feb 2017 #98

Don't care for Maher even though I agree with him on some points Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2017 #78

He's going to end up causing a bigger rift on the right JenniferJuniper Feb 2017 #101

they already rationalized pussygrabbing poli3 Feb 2017 #102

ah, yes, but Milo is gay JenniferJuniper Feb 2017 #104

He's going to end up causing a bigger rift on the right. LenaBaby61 Feb 2017 #105

He can speak, and we can PROTEST. nt Lisa0825 Feb 2017 #103

He's pissed the right off now BainsBane Feb 2017 #106

I think that is wishful thinking. JNelson6563 Feb 2017 #107

I just watched HoneyBadger Feb 2017 #108