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CitizenZero

(920 posts)
2. I Agree
Mon Feb 20, 2017, 07:46 PM
Feb 2017

On paper, things were great. The platform was strong. Hillary had a bullet-proof resume. Why did we lose? No one reason, you are right, but I think a key reason was about connecting with voters. Trump appealed to people's Ids, their feelings, on a gut level. Hillary was more cerebral, rational. We have learned that being nice and smart and experienced doesn't always work as well as pushing people's buttons.

Michael Moore predicted the Trump win because Moore knew Michigan and places like it. Moore said Trump was speaking directly to white working class voters fears and anger. Many of those people there felt they have been excluded and disenfranchised for years and years by globalization and other similar forces. Trump went in and fed them red meat about getting jobs back, reversing globalist trade agendas like NAFTA, etc. Not to mention the more coded racial slants, that white men are losing control of America.

Anyway, Trump went in and repeatedly hammered the same message back to these people in large crowds and gatherings. He appealed to their Id and their guts. Hillary's team largely stayed out of that arena and relied on polls and analytics that said she would win in Michigan, by five points up until the day of the election. Too cerebral? The team made too many assumptions?

These poll numbers did not pan out. Why? Because if you have to choose between numbers and realities on the ground, go with the reality on the ground. Do not take a single thing for granted in this contest. The stakes are too high. And perhaps that is how we have found ourselves here. Where do we go now?

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Why Did We Lose And How Can We Win? [View all] CitizenZero Feb 2017 OP
Quite a few reasons, not just one. Agschmid Feb 2017 #1
I Agree CitizenZero Feb 2017 #2
but they voted for other republicans that supported free trade over dems like strickland JI7 Feb 2017 #4
It wasn't an appeal based on issues in some ways... at least IMHO. Agschmid Feb 2017 #5
can we just admit it was racism ? they hated blm, refugees , immigrants JI7 Feb 2017 #7
Except all those racists voted for Obama twice. EL34x4 Feb 2017 #11
no they didn't. JI7 Feb 2017 #12
This is flat out made up. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #20
Barack Obama's pollster disagrees. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #22
Very Good Article CitizenZero Feb 2017 #28
Racism And Xenophobia CitizenZero Feb 2017 #13
They have been voting republican sInce civil rights JI7 Feb 2017 #14
I See Your Point CitizenZero Feb 2017 #17
the comey letter played a huge role JI7 Feb 2017 #21
The Comey Letter Was A Problem CitizenZero Feb 2017 #25
she was ahead before it JI7 Feb 2017 #26
OK CitizenZero Feb 2017 #30
And she wound up ahead by almost as much afterwards... regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #53
Which Comey letter? former9thward Feb 2017 #45
fuck trump JI7 Feb 2017 #47
A whole lot of it was exactly that, unfortunately. Agschmid Feb 2017 #24
Obama never would have won if that were true. Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #60
pro trade republicans did the best and feingold and strickland did worse than clinton JI7 Feb 2017 #62
Trump's trade narrative was tied to his xenophobic rhetoric... JHan Feb 2017 #15
I Agree CitizenZero Feb 2017 #19
"Most Americans see trade as an economic opportunity..." regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #54
I agree it would be a tough sell.. JHan Feb 2017 #65
That's an old story full of finger pointing and dissembling. lapucelle Feb 2017 #3
good point. +++++++ JHan Feb 2017 #16
lost because of Russians. triron Feb 2017 #6
How? regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #55
I think it's impossible to know the depths of our loss... NCTraveler Feb 2017 #8
In 2010 when Jennifer Granholm, Dem, left office Michigan elected Republican Rick Snyder delisen Feb 2017 #9
and same with wisconsin JI7 Feb 2017 #10
Exactly...and Florida as well. regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #56
Year 2010: Red Tide Swept Great Lakes States. Republicans Gained Control CNN report delisen Feb 2017 #18
We Need A Counter Movement To The Tea Party CitizenZero Feb 2017 #23
went don't you explain why Feingold lost first and what JI7 Feb 2017 #27
Feingold CitizenZero Feb 2017 #32
This!! Dracaena Feb 2017 #31
Also CitizenZero Feb 2017 #35
Critical, as 25 states are now under top-to-bottom Republican control. VOX Feb 2017 #39
Thanks For Posting That CitizenZero Feb 2017 #42
You're welcome. And as New York is to you, California is to me. VOX Feb 2017 #58
Thanks. Similar to articles I posted months ago. Have we learned anything? elleng Feb 2017 #29
I could list many reasons, but many would not like to hear it... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #33
I believe you are right. n/t phylny Feb 2017 #34
I have VERY little sympathy with that rationalization... regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #57
Evidence? CitizenZero Feb 2017 #36
First, I did not write 'voter fraud'...that is a republican meme. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #37
Election Fraud CitizenZero Feb 2017 #38
Definitions: Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #40
Very Good Info CitizenZero Feb 2017 #43
Very poor info. former9thward Feb 2017 #46
Well CitizenZero Feb 2017 #48
The Comey letter, etc, is stuff that happens in every election. former9thward Feb 2017 #63
The unadjusted exit polls that conspiracy theorists use are idiotic mythology Feb 2017 #49
The More Information CitizenZero Feb 2017 #52
Good try... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #67
We *HAVE* to start at the local level. Initech Feb 2017 #41
This is where I'm at... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #44
Yeah we can talk about GOTV'ing all we want. Initech Feb 2017 #50
Because the Republicans, Faux and others made wild claims about doc03 Feb 2017 #51
We lost because of PA, MI and WI (and OH) .... Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #59
Because they didn't count all the early votes. ucrdem Feb 2017 #61
Multiple reasons alarimer Feb 2017 #64
Sad that we have so many hardcore racists and misogynists in our midst... CTyankee Feb 2017 #66
Enthusiasm.... Baconator Feb 2017 #68
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