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Denzil_DC

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109. Yeah, I think it was worth having!

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #108)

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:22 PM

Feb 2017

A vote on Trump visiting wasn't held, whether it would have been binding or not (it wouldn't). The vote just said "Yeah, we debated these two petitions, we're done now." (Hence the cries of "No!" from MPs who still wanted to protest the proposed visit.)

One confusing thing is that it was a full House of Commons debate, but it wasn't held in the usual grand chamber, which is why some folks assumed it was just a committee meeting:

It is technically a House of Commons debate, but it is not taking part in the main Commons chamber. Instead it is being held in Westminster Hall, a mini chamber, or annex, off the historic Westminster Hall (same name, but different room) that gets used for low-level debates that do not involve legislation or votes.

Today’s debate is taking place because the Commons has a rule that says petitions that attract more than 100,000 signatures should normally be considered for debate.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/20/paul-nuttall-ukip-chairmen-quit-in-protest-over-paul-nuttalls-hillsborough-falsehoold-politics-live?page=with:block-58ab004ce4b0beeffbc5bd09#block-58ab004ce4b0beeffbc5bd09

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The "NO's" have it...MPs debate refusing Donald Trump a state visit to Britain [View all] Miles Archer Feb 2017 OP

And it sounded like a very resounding NO! The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #1

I think I heard somewhere that the vote is not binding... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #2

If he visits, it will be downgraded, not a State Visit, and he won't get to meet the Queen.. HipChick Feb 2017 #4

Not sure that Parliament has that authority... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #8

I imagine the Queen has the final say, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #12

I've read Prime Minister and Queen... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #22

I want him to go !! SCantiGOP Feb 2017 #93

They mentioned in the video that State Visit requests originate from a Committee not from Parliament Miles Archer Feb 2017 #23

And the Queen Liberalagogo Feb 2017 #42

No kidding. CottonBear Feb 2017 #49

One MP mentioned that Prince Charles probably couldn't be involved in a state visit with Trump dflprincess Feb 2017 #115

i dunno. perhaps she was going to have her sword at the ready in case mopinko Feb 2017 #53

Shake her hand? No, he'd move in for a hug, and Ilsa Feb 2017 #89

arm around the shoulder, hand on the boob. mopinko Feb 2017 #90

Hell, they ought to let him meet Prince Phillip.... MADem Feb 2017 #51

This! BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #60

Just imagine... Fritz Walter Feb 2017 #69

In Prince Phillip not fooled Feb 2017 #91

... Luciferous Feb 2017 #98

Lockerbie "bombing"? cwydro Feb 2017 #125

You must be young...? MADem Feb 2017 #128

I understand the aircraft was destroyed by a bomb. cwydro Feb 2017 #133

Do the google on the phrase "Lockerbie bombing." MADem Feb 2017 #134

The Queen doesn't want to shake hands with a P_ _ _ y grabber. nikibatts Feb 2017 #63

They exposed Trump for what he is and gave him a resounding thumbs down Jarqui Feb 2017 #3

Wow. underpants Feb 2017 #5

If the PM goes along with the visit exboyfil Feb 2017 #32

YAY! Let's all move there! nt Laffy Kat Feb 2017 #6

They have definitely voted NO? ailsagirl Feb 2017 #7

Just watched about two hours of live video at the link in my OP... Miles Archer Feb 2017 #13

I had it on as well. Vinnie From Indy Feb 2017 #33

the man's name? ultronvision Feb 2017 #124

Could it be this one? Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #126

Love those Scots! ailsagirl Feb 2017 #130

And they particularly detest Donald Trump Rhiannon12866 Feb 2017 #131

Love those people! ailsagirl Feb 2017 #132

If/when he visits, Parliament will NOT be in session--thus, he'll be the first leader to NOT address MADem Feb 2017 #129

Is this confirmed ? n/t ??????? TubbersUK Feb 2017 #9

I heard the vote with my own ears on the livestream of the debate. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #14

Thanks n/t TubbersUK Feb 2017 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author TubbersUK Feb 2017 #21

I believe it was sort of commitee vote -not the entire Parliament. confusing for sure riversedge Feb 2017 #79

You're right. Native Feb 2017 #92

The debate was in the House of Commons. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #94

It was if you watched the video. Miles Archer Feb 2017 #18

Thanks n/t TubbersUK Feb 2017 #26

It's not their decision. MADem Feb 2017 #135

Trump got dumped. C_U_L8R Feb 2017 #10

With some heavy-duty BRMCOne Feb 2017 #81

Yay, happy Monday everyone! :D Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #11

Love the cuteness. Spread the love. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #20

It is cute, isn't it? Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #28

I'm normally on my phone when posting. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #37

Happy peeResident's Day! Fritz Walter Feb 2017 #73

That's simply awesome ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #15

Good now BLOTUS 45 and his alt-reich entourage will not stain workinclasszero Feb 2017 #16

They'd better be careful meadowlark5 Feb 2017 #17

Man. How humiliating is that? dalton99a Feb 2017 #24

BBC hasn't reported this yet still_one Feb 2017 #25

still nothing on the BBC etherealtruth Feb 2017 #29

At least BBC.com doesn't have it there still_one Feb 2017 #31

That's my go to as well ... I have been "nonchalantly" checking my phone during a meeting etherealtruth Feb 2017 #35

WOOT WOOT! This resistance is WORLD WIDE! Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #27

Ouchy. moondust Feb 2017 #30

Hey, remember when the UK was our friend and Russia was our enemy? progressoid Feb 2017 #34

Oooo that's gonna leave a mark... Still In Wisconsin Feb 2017 #36

ha barbtries Feb 2017 #38

This isn't dis-inviting him from the U.K. but from addressing Parliament, right? randome Feb 2017 #39

no & no Jarqui Feb 2017 #43

So he just gets to go there and wander around? murielm99 Feb 2017 #68

I don't know precisely what they may have planned for him. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #74

bwahahahahahaaa love the brits spanone Feb 2017 #40

PROTAZOAN! ignorant! collasal EGO! the smart BURNS. pansypoo53219 Feb 2017 #41

"The power of the presidency is enormous but the intellect of the presidency is protozoan" Maraya1969 Feb 2017 #120

Tonight at 3am Eastern: Liberalagogo Feb 2017 #44

Is this real? "Tonight?" ??? LAS14 Feb 2017 #83

Its fake, like so much on the internet. former9thward Feb 2017 #85

Tweets like that are very easy to fake. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #88

Or you can go to Liberalagogo Feb 2017 #107

Wo! LAS14 Feb 2017 #111

Wo! It really takes WORK to sort out truth from falsehood. LAS14 Feb 2017 #112

I believe that's known as Poe's Law: Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #113

It's non-binding. LAS14 Feb 2017 #121

The UK Parliament DID NOT VOTE against a Donald Trump visit... brooklynite Feb 2017 #45

Thank you!!! It is so hard to track info down while working, I appreciate you posting this etherealtruth Feb 2017 #48

That's correct (see my post below explaining what did happen). Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #62

The Queen didn't want to have to fake illness Generic Other Feb 2017 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author pkdu Feb 2017 #47

OMG. How embarrassing...for HIM! Honeycombe8 Feb 2017 #50

there's someone with a placard at a UK protest that says "Hair Hitler" sunonmars Feb 2017 #52

It should have read, "Hair Furor." Than you. n/t W Mousie Feb 2017 #122

Spoke to a friend in the UK. She said verbal votes don't count appleannie1943 Feb 2017 #54

Many references were made today to the "Greek Chorus" of protesters outside. Miles Archer Feb 2017 #57

Your friend is correct on the first point. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #65

Trump is known as never letting go of a grudge . Because the Brits will Enoki33 Feb 2017 #55

England, i am still mad at you over Brexit, but DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #56

Haaaa!!!! louis-t Feb 2017 #58

How nice would it be if British Customs The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #59

NO. Parliament didn't do that. You might want to add a qualifier to the OP. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #61

thank you. misinformation isn't helpful. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #64

You're welcome. I don't think it was deliberate misinformation, Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #70

Some con on DI orangecrush Feb 2017 #75

All we can do is try to keep on our guard Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #78

but... even the link revealed no vote yet. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #82

Yeah, there's no headline at the link to bear out the post title at all. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #84

The power of positive thinking apparently only works for Twump. n/t SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2017 #110

Thank you. It was clearly just a committee and not all of Parliament, The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #101

No, it WASN'T a committee. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #102

OK, but it looked like not all of Commons was there, so can they have debates The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #103

The Commons is often relatively deserted Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #104

OK, thanks. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #105

It was procedural. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #106

Got it. The vote has to happen but the outcome isn't binding. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2017 #108

Yeah, I think it was worth having! Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #109

K&R! stonecutter357 Feb 2017 #66

Unfortunately, it's primarily theatre as it has no clout to ban arthritisR_US Feb 2017 #67

Think of all the money this saves the American taxpayer Mr. Ected Feb 2017 #71

Whoops, gotta love live UK tv.... sunonmars Feb 2017 #72

Damn. Has this ever happened before? What a crazy ass our President is. C Moon Feb 2017 #76

Please correct orangecrush Feb 2017 #77

there was a vote--but it was some committe voting. Confusing for all riversedge Feb 2017 #80

There was no vote on a state visit which is what the OP said. former9thward Feb 2017 #87

and that is why the bbc.com or any other major news outlet is NOT reporting it still_one Feb 2017 #95

Yes, there was a vote. Miles Archer Feb 2017 #97

The vote was a voice vote that just confirmed the debate had taken place. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #99

Get Out WomanWhoRoars Feb 2017 #86

. Rex Feb 2017 #96

The British have always been on guard against fascism. Capn Sunshine Feb 2017 #100

CSPAN is airing the debate now dflprincess Feb 2017 #114

It's a House of Commons debate, not a committee. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #116

Thank you dflprincess Feb 2017 #117

No worries. Denzil_DC Feb 2017 #118

Rest assured I didn't feel jumped on dflprincess Feb 2017 #119

Wherever trumpo goes...people should turn their back to him. Tikki Feb 2017 #123

The UK does not like trump either Gothmog Feb 2017 #127