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CitizenZero

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17. I See Your Point

Mon Feb 20, 2017, 08:25 PM

Feb 2017

I think Obama won Michigan in both 2008 and 2012. I guess Hillary did not mobilize enough of his coalition to win 2016. So, suppressed minority vote combined with Trump bringing out more racist voters yielded a close victory for Trump.

I think the solution to this would have simply been Hillary running a better campaign in Michigan. She and her team did not engage effectively in Michigan and other places because they took these places for granted. So, in the future we need to field candidates who will get in an mobilize votes rather than assuming victory.

There is a certain amount of hope for me, in that we lost this election due to miscalculations rather than due to some underlying structural change in the voting population. The Obama Coalition is still there for other candidates to activate and mobilize.

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Why Did We Lose And How Can We Win? [View all] CitizenZero Feb 2017 OP

Quite a few reasons, not just one. Agschmid Feb 2017 #1

I Agree CitizenZero Feb 2017 #2

but they voted for other republicans that supported free trade over dems like strickland JI7 Feb 2017 #4

It wasn't an appeal based on issues in some ways... at least IMHO. Agschmid Feb 2017 #5

can we just admit it was racism ? they hated blm, refugees , immigrants JI7 Feb 2017 #7

Except all those racists voted for Obama twice. EL34x4 Feb 2017 #11

no they didn't. JI7 Feb 2017 #12

This is flat out made up. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #20

Barack Obama's pollster disagrees. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #22

Very Good Article CitizenZero Feb 2017 #28

Racism And Xenophobia CitizenZero Feb 2017 #13

They have been voting republican sInce civil rights JI7 Feb 2017 #14

I See Your Point CitizenZero Feb 2017 #17

the comey letter played a huge role JI7 Feb 2017 #21

The Comey Letter Was A Problem CitizenZero Feb 2017 #25

she was ahead before it JI7 Feb 2017 #26

OK CitizenZero Feb 2017 #30

And she wound up ahead by almost as much afterwards... regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #53

Which Comey letter? former9thward Feb 2017 #45

fuck trump JI7 Feb 2017 #47

A whole lot of it was exactly that, unfortunately. Agschmid Feb 2017 #24

Obama never would have won if that were true. Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #60

pro trade republicans did the best and feingold and strickland did worse than clinton JI7 Feb 2017 #62

Trump's trade narrative was tied to his xenophobic rhetoric... JHan Feb 2017 #15

I Agree CitizenZero Feb 2017 #19

"Most Americans see trade as an economic opportunity..." regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #54

I agree it would be a tough sell.. JHan Feb 2017 #65

That's an old story full of finger pointing and dissembling. lapucelle Feb 2017 #3

good point. +++++++ JHan Feb 2017 #16

lost because of Russians. triron Feb 2017 #6

How? regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #55

I think it's impossible to know the depths of our loss... NCTraveler Feb 2017 #8

In 2010 when Jennifer Granholm, Dem, left office Michigan elected Republican Rick Snyder delisen Feb 2017 #9

and same with wisconsin JI7 Feb 2017 #10

Exactly...and Florida as well. regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #56

Year 2010: Red Tide Swept Great Lakes States. Republicans Gained Control CNN report delisen Feb 2017 #18

We Need A Counter Movement To The Tea Party CitizenZero Feb 2017 #23

went don't you explain why Feingold lost first and what JI7 Feb 2017 #27

Feingold CitizenZero Feb 2017 #32

This!! Dracaena Feb 2017 #31

Also CitizenZero Feb 2017 #35

Critical, as 25 states are now under top-to-bottom Republican control. VOX Feb 2017 #39

Thanks For Posting That CitizenZero Feb 2017 #42

You're welcome. And as New York is to you, California is to me. VOX Feb 2017 #58

Thanks. Similar to articles I posted months ago. Have we learned anything? elleng Feb 2017 #29

I could list many reasons, but many would not like to hear it... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #33

I believe you are right. n/t phylny Feb 2017 #34

I have VERY little sympathy with that rationalization... regnaD kciN Feb 2017 #57

Evidence? CitizenZero Feb 2017 #36

First, I did not write 'voter fraud'...that is a republican meme. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #37

Election Fraud CitizenZero Feb 2017 #38

Definitions: Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #40

Very Good Info CitizenZero Feb 2017 #43

Very poor info. former9thward Feb 2017 #46

Well CitizenZero Feb 2017 #48

The Comey letter, etc, is stuff that happens in every election. former9thward Feb 2017 #63

The unadjusted exit polls that conspiracy theorists use are idiotic mythology Feb 2017 #49

The More Information CitizenZero Feb 2017 #52

Good try... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #67

We *HAVE* to start at the local level. Initech Feb 2017 #41

This is where I'm at... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #44

Yeah we can talk about GOTV'ing all we want. Initech Feb 2017 #50

Because the Republicans, Faux and others made wild claims about doc03 Feb 2017 #51

We lost because of PA, MI and WI (and OH) .... Motown_Johnny Feb 2017 #59

Because they didn't count all the early votes. ucrdem Feb 2017 #61

Multiple reasons alarimer Feb 2017 #64

Sad that we have so many hardcore racists and misogynists in our midst... CTyankee Feb 2017 #66

Enthusiasm.... Baconator Feb 2017 #68