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In reply to the discussion: Why Did We Lose And How Can We Win? [View all]mythology
(9,527 posts)49. The unadjusted exit polls that conspiracy theorists use are idiotic
https://www.thenation.com/article/reminder-exit-poll-conspiracy-theories-are-totally-baseless/
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/on-tim-robbins-election-fraud-and-how-nonsense-spreads-around-the-internet/
Anybody spreading around nonsensical theories about the exit polls has a really high hurdle to overcome. It's just as embarrassing as people who say climate change and evolution aren't real.
As for the "rigged" voting machines, please explain why there was no statistically significant difference in Wisconsin counties that were hand recounted versus counties that were machine recounted. The fact is you can't, because you have chosen to believe in a fantasy.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/recount-found-thousands-of-errors-but-no-major-flaws-in/article_4ad0fe2a-40d8-5cce-8d84-f3e33469c8f1.html
So please, stop spreading verifiably false information about voting machines. 538 also did a statistical analysis of 8 states and found no evidence of the way ballots were counted had any impact on the vote totals once demographics were accounted for.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/
The nonsense about 79,000 votes not being counted is why Greg Palast should never be taken seriously. He starts from the assumption that the ballots were for Clinton and then works backward to prove it. He summarily dismisses information about people selecting invalid write-in candidates without noting that Iowa had more than double the number of write-in votes than in 2012. Michigan doesn't count write-in ballots unless the write-in candidate filed a declaration of intent. So if people wrote in Bernie Sanders, or Mickey Mouse, those votes would show as being non-votes for President. In 2012, Michigan had about 50,000 ballots that registered no vote for President. Given that Iowa doubled their write-in votes, obviously it's quite possible Michigan could do the same, but if it was for a candidate like Sanders or some protest name, that wouldn't show up on the list of valid votes for President.
These unfounded conspiracy theories that rely on people being ignorant of the actual political science behind it, need to stop. Clinton didn't lose because the machines were hacked. She lost because Trump won white voters by a large enough margin in enough states to win. She lost because Comey put out the second note about Clinton emails on the Wiener laptop.
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/on-tim-robbins-election-fraud-and-how-nonsense-spreads-around-the-internet/
Anybody spreading around nonsensical theories about the exit polls has a really high hurdle to overcome. It's just as embarrassing as people who say climate change and evolution aren't real.
As for the "rigged" voting machines, please explain why there was no statistically significant difference in Wisconsin counties that were hand recounted versus counties that were machine recounted. The fact is you can't, because you have chosen to believe in a fantasy.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/recount-found-thousands-of-errors-but-no-major-flaws-in/article_4ad0fe2a-40d8-5cce-8d84-f3e33469c8f1.html
So please, stop spreading verifiably false information about voting machines. 538 also did a statistical analysis of 8 states and found no evidence of the way ballots were counted had any impact on the vote totals once demographics were accounted for.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/demographics-not-hacking-explain-the-election-results/
The nonsense about 79,000 votes not being counted is why Greg Palast should never be taken seriously. He starts from the assumption that the ballots were for Clinton and then works backward to prove it. He summarily dismisses information about people selecting invalid write-in candidates without noting that Iowa had more than double the number of write-in votes than in 2012. Michigan doesn't count write-in ballots unless the write-in candidate filed a declaration of intent. So if people wrote in Bernie Sanders, or Mickey Mouse, those votes would show as being non-votes for President. In 2012, Michigan had about 50,000 ballots that registered no vote for President. Given that Iowa doubled their write-in votes, obviously it's quite possible Michigan could do the same, but if it was for a candidate like Sanders or some protest name, that wouldn't show up on the list of valid votes for President.
These unfounded conspiracy theories that rely on people being ignorant of the actual political science behind it, need to stop. Clinton didn't lose because the machines were hacked. She lost because Trump won white voters by a large enough margin in enough states to win. She lost because Comey put out the second note about Clinton emails on the Wiener laptop.
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but they voted for other republicans that supported free trade over dems like strickland
JI7
Feb 2017
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pro trade republicans did the best and feingold and strickland did worse than clinton
JI7
Feb 2017
#62
In 2010 when Jennifer Granholm, Dem, left office Michigan elected Republican Rick Snyder
delisen
Feb 2017
#9
Year 2010: Red Tide Swept Great Lakes States. Republicans Gained Control CNN report
delisen
Feb 2017
#18