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Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
46. You have a ton of good discussion topics in the o.p.
Tue Feb 21, 2017, 11:04 AM
Feb 2017

I'm catholic, and have been impressed for decades by the disproportionately large contribution to making things better in this country that come from people who are religiously observant or secular/culturally Jewish. In progressive social movements, politics, philosophy, academics, justice, journalism, people from that small 2.3% of the population fight to make things better for the whole country.

Re antisemitism, watching out for it as a key warning sign can be useful. If a social or political movement springs up and starts making a splash, says things that seem progressive or appears to do in-depth investigative reporting, but seems a bit murky and tough to pin down -- the key defining moment that lets me peg them, the moment that sets all the alarm bells off and cements that outfit as bad guys in my mind, is the moment that they say something anti-semitic. As soon as they say 'because the Jews' or 'it's the Jews', it's a key tip off. It instantly shows who they are.

Years ago, there were quite a few pro-Alex Jones posts on this site, he was disguising himself as a force 'against fascism'. But watching him blame activities coming out of the nazi bush family on the Rothschilds, blame 9/11 on Israel, blame attacks on synagogues in Mumbai on the Mossad, it was clear that he was a pro-nazi repug bircher. It took a while to become an accepted fact here that Jones was working for the bad guys, but the sub rosa antisemitism was a clear tip off, though some post-ers who I thought weren't right wing trolls were dazzled by the 'anti' bush stuff coming from Jones' trash outfits.

Groups like his always take high profile incidents that come from covert workings of our country's far right wasp financial power structure -- or come from the far righties in our intel that serve that power structure, or from underground nazi movements that are supported by the monied wasp power brokers or their rightie intel servants -- they always take those incidents for a spin and try to pin them on 'the Jews'. They always have a cartoon version of history and reality that they're willing to offer the public, pure propagandic psyops, but the second they say 'it's the Jews' they show they're working for the nazis who are the real villains. They excuse the actual bad guys who they work for, muddy the waters about the guilt of the wasp nazis, and go after a target that those nazis want to go after. Their true aim is to scapegoat the Jewish people, all of whom they're just itching to attack, anyway.

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Regarding the '30 pieces of silver' slur, the key thing that tipped me off that Flynn was a nazi repug bircher (que some naysayer to tell me he's a 'registered Dem'. Don't bother.) was when he 'accidentally' retweeted an anti-semitic statement from some nazi zero called 'St Bibiana @30piecesofAG'.

7/24/16, Flynn anti-semitic tweet (notice how it's all about Flynn covering up for team dRumpf's russian buddies hacking our elections):

"Less than a week after giving an impassioned speech at the Republican National Convention, retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn is catching heat for sharing with his Twitter followers — as Donald Trump has in the past — an anti-Semitic message.
Flynn was responding Sunday to an assertion by Robby Mook, Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager, on CNN that Russia was behind the hack and release of tens of thousands of internal Democratic National Committee emails last week.
“The corrupt Democratic machine will do and say anything to get #NeverHillary into power. This is a new low,” he tweeted, sharing a link to a tweet from a user named Saint Bibiana (@30PiecesofAG_) who wrote “>Cnn implicated. ‘The USSR is to blame!’ … Not anymore, Jews. Not anymore.” "

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/michael-flynn-twitter-226091

Really well done - thanks for your efforts to expand our thinking and understanding. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2017 #1
I read every word, Sissyk Feb 2017 #2
Thank you for your kind words! Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #16
You're most welcome! Sissyk Feb 2017 #21
Excellent. nt stevenleser Feb 2017 #3
You didn't mention ProudLib72 Feb 2017 #4
This was very well written and explores the issue very well. nycbos Feb 2017 #5
I agree with you that the new "president" is partly responsible for a surge in anti-Semitism. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #17
He's brought out all sorts of ugliness, no question. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #25
And just today . . . JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #6
I am just afraid I will wake up soon and read DU and it won't be a threat but an actual event. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #19
Kick and recommend to infinity ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #7
Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #8
Intelligent, logical , insightful post. Rustyeye77 Feb 2017 #9
Thank you. And thank you for the shout-out. TygrBright Feb 2017 #10
Again, you bring up some good points. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #23
Excellent response. And understated. I also appreciate your time and thought in putting together JudyM Feb 2017 #49
Thanks! Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #53
Absolutely. The OP couldn't have been more timely. JudyM Feb 2017 #55
BTW, in re:Oklahoma Maeve Feb 2017 #57
Aegis, this is beautifully done. I hope many people read it. Hekate Feb 2017 #11
In the irony of ironies, Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #12
"Do not 'redefine' anti-Semitism to include others who aren't Jews" - Then why choose a terminology redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #13
in answer to your first point, words and phrases mean what they mean. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #15
Thanks for adressing that bit of spohistry. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #18
!! leftstreet Feb 2017 #20
My reply: redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #29
The language can be problematic precisely because there is substantial discrimination redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #28
More sophistry. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #31
+1 The end. grossproffit Feb 2017 #32
Again, the only times I have ever seen people broaden the usual definition of the word, it was done redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #35
You are an Arab? Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #38
It appears we have seen different things then. redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #41
I guess so. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #48
Why are you so adamant in wanting to change the meaning of anti-Semitism? grossproffit Feb 2017 #39
okay, tell me exactly how Jews deserve hate because, Israel. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #33
Um, no? redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #36
you seem to desperately want to make a point, and yet you're afraid to actually come out Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #37
My point: Bigotry against Arabs exists, both on a systemic and individual level, and is a problem redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #42
You're derailing. This thread is about Anti-Semitism. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #43
You are projecting. The OP has defined one very specific act as being bigoted, the factuality redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #44
I don't. Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #45
This is a serious thread about a serious issue and taking issue with it as you are strikes others JudyM Feb 2017 #50
What I take issue with is when people slip trace amount of a nationalistic ideology into what is redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #64
You are describing your own motivations. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #65
I am not someone you can bully, but thanks for playing. redgreenandblue Feb 2017 #66
Neither am I. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #67
Would you mind linking me leftynyc Feb 2017 #68
The term 'anti-Semitism' entered the political lexicon in 1879.. Princess Turandot Feb 2017 #24
kick and rec Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #14
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2017 #22
I will read later Gothmog Feb 2017 #26
This is amazing! Thank you for taking the time to type this up! EllieBC Feb 2017 #27
Kick and highly recommend leftynyc Feb 2017 #30
well done, Behind the Aegis Skittles Feb 2017 #34
When I was young I had faith in the American public... etherealtruth Feb 2017 #40
You have a ton of good discussion topics in the o.p. Mc Mike Feb 2017 #46
Kicking Sissyk Feb 2017 #47
And the hits just keep on coming. The latest from Sean Spicer... JudyM Feb 2017 #51
Right? Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #52
I have known for some time that you are a thoughtful and intelligent poster Maeve Feb 2017 #54
Aw shucks. Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #59
Thanks. onenote Feb 2017 #56
Thank you for your examples!! Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #58
I'm saddened that this topic doesn't have 200+ recs. grossproffit Feb 2017 #60
Actually, I am shocked it has 50! Behind the Aegis Feb 2017 #62
great post n/t orleans Feb 2017 #61
Kick Warren DeMontague Feb 2017 #63
Kick. JudyM Feb 2017 #69
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Feb 2017 #70
Kicked grossproffit Mar 2017 #71
Thanks for collecting all of this information and breaking it down. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #72
Didn't Bernie admonish a Latina woman for R B Garr Mar 2017 #73
Do you find that people still try to accuse Jews of being the bigots when you bring this up? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #74
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