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Chemisse

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195. Quite a few votes that were 'ours' during the Obama races

Wed Feb 22, 2017, 08:35 AM

Feb 2017

Went to Trump in the 2016 race.

Those are the people we need to get back.

It doesn't help to wall them off and call them 'deplorables'. What does help is understanding why they went Republican and make sure we have a message and candidates that appeal to them in the future elections.

We're never going to get the hardcore racists, nor do we care to try. But there are plenty of Trump voters who could come our way.

As an example, I have a Republican coworker who is clearly racist. He does not rant or froth over it; it is just evident. Early in the election process, he told me he wanted either Trump or Sanders. The common thread seemed to be major change.

This may be different next time around. Voters may instead clamor for sanity and honesty and compassion in a candidate. Whatever it is, we need to be in tune with it and get candidates who can have widespread appeal.

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Why the fuck do we have Democrats trying to get us to sympathize with deplorables? [View all] bravenak Feb 2017 OP

Exactly Bravenak. Those who voted for trump knew he was a racist, still_one Feb 2017 #1

Thank you. I appreciate your post, seriously bravenak Feb 2017 #2

i agree. nt DesertFlower Feb 2017 #18

Some of them were bothered by that but still thought him preferable to Hillary becasue, you know, Amaryllis Feb 2017 #70

I have a very liberal friend whom I'm extremely liberalhistorian Feb 2017 #158

People like her are the ones taken in by fake news (the real fake news, not what T calls fake news). Amaryllis Feb 2017 #186

Yes. ++++ BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #233

Your friend sounds more obtuse than liberal BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #236

I have no sympathy for them. gwheezie Feb 2017 #3

Thank you. I too refuse to sympathize with my oppressirs bravenak Feb 2017 #8

Poor racist, sexist, Islamophobic, anti-Semitic rape enablers. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #4

Stresses me out bravenak Feb 2017 #6

With a rope MFM008 Feb 2017 #51

Because they're weak. GaYellowDawg Feb 2017 #5

It's such bullshit bravenak Feb 2017 #7

Yes, it is. GaYellowDawg Feb 2017 #10

I know. Just ignore us who already are on the same side as them in order to please our oppressors bravenak Feb 2017 #13

LOL leftstreet Feb 2017 #21

Yes. GaYellowDawg Feb 2017 #65

I love it bravenak Feb 2017 #69

Thank you. GaYellowDawg Feb 2017 #99

i dunno, but i sure as shit am having compassion fatigue La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #9

Seriously bravenak Feb 2017 #11

And have your rapists baby. notdarkyet Feb 2017 #177

And share custody with him bravenak Feb 2017 #181

I feel similarly Tiggeroshii Feb 2017 #39

I doubt there were hundreds of thousands of Hitler voters gassed at Auschwitz. thucythucy Feb 2017 #105

hitler teslar Feb 2017 #168

Well, socialists, anarchists, and communists ... Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #225

If they had been told over and over The Sand Reckoner Feb 2017 #136

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2017 #43

Precisely... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #12

Me too. They should sympathize with us and grow the fuck up already bravenak Feb 2017 #14

Like in South Africa there will be a day of reckoning. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #15

I cannot wait! bravenak Feb 2017 #19

You are living in a dream world. MicaelS Feb 2017 #239

It's either Truth And Reconciliation committees or Nuremberg like trials. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #240

The only place those will ever happen is in MicaelS Feb 2017 #242

I would tell you what i think of your personal attacks but I don't want my post hidden. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #243

Oh please send me an IM. MicaelS Feb 2017 #244

I don't think this is that kind of site, Mr. S. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #246

Hahahahaha!!!!!! MicaelS Feb 2017 #247

Lonely? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2017 #248

i cannot forgive them. i don't care what he DesertFlower Feb 2017 #16

Exactly bravenak Feb 2017 #23

I agree with you! fun n serious Feb 2017 #37

Yes! Thank you! bravenak Feb 2017 #48

The deplorables are too far gone mentally to even try to convince. fun n serious Feb 2017 #72

Yes! Fuck them and fuck trying to change minds. bravenak Feb 2017 #76

Why the fuck is trying to figure out how to manipulate people using progaganda KittyWampus Feb 2017 #17

excuse me, but i cannot be manipulated. DesertFlower Feb 2017 #22

Yes, you can. It's wired into every single human being. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #25

i was going to say that i don't believe that, but then DesertFlower Feb 2017 #34

And you've absolutely been influenced to choose, buy or reject something based on marketing KittyWampus Feb 2017 #56

i cannot be manipulated into voting for a racist La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #24

I didn't remotely say that. My post was pretty clear too. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #26

i'm saying a lot of them were comfortable with racism to begin with La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #30

and a certain percentage could have been manipulated in a different direction. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #44

if Hillary has called for a ban on refugees she might have got a few if those votes JI7 Feb 2017 #59

And lost many more. Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #86

No one said ANYTHING about abandoning our core values. That is a straw man. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #93

I wasn't replying to your post. Charles Bukowski Feb 2017 #102

Wrong. You totally don't understand that it's about HOW you market a message. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #88

no. i couldn't either. as soon as DesertFlower Feb 2017 #36

Oh fuck that bravenak Feb 2017 #38

You are wrong. It's Science. Here's lots of links to SCIENCE for you to either ignore KittyWampus Feb 2017 #75

They are not conservatives, they are racists bravenak Feb 2017 #87

I am goddamn tired of folks trying to tell us to fix our oppressors bravenak Feb 2017 #90

Fear based messaging can be effective but I've never been impressed with those studies .. JHan Feb 2017 #123

Thanks for the link. What do you think of Lakoff? My point is about marketing, symbolism KittyWampus Feb 2017 #139

I think he makes a good point about how language is received and acted upon.. JHan Feb 2017 #145

Interesting CitizenZero Feb 2017 #140

right heaven05 Feb 2017 #159

I've seen quite a few Democrats on Hayes, Maddow & O'Donnell's shows standing up and speaking out. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #176

Ha? Bigotry and hate is now a disability kinda like autism? fun n serious Feb 2017 #41

Right? bravenak Feb 2017 #49

I just posted LOTS of links to Science backing me up. So you can either read up on facts KittyWampus Feb 2017 #82

Nothing to explain why my black self should participate in this bullshit, right? bravenak Feb 2017 #83

Participate in what? I just posted links to Science backing up the fact KittyWampus Feb 2017 #103

In this bullshit fake ass marketing ploy where we try for votes we cannot get and piss my black ass bravenak Feb 2017 #107

Quite a few votes that were 'ours' during the Obama races Chemisse Feb 2017 #195

The people who really know why the 'deplorables' heaven05 Feb 2017 #201

Oh, give me a break. The non-stop rage at what happened in November is counterproductive. Chemisse Feb 2017 #217

attract on heaven05 Feb 2017 #231

So people should not respond to heaven05 Feb 2017 #161

your post bears no relation to anything I have written in this thread. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #174

your post bears no heaven05 Feb 2017 #178

+ infinity. nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #196

I just posted lots of links to scientific studies for you to scoff at. See above for SCIENCE. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #78

You gave it a great try, Kitty... ms liberty Feb 2017 #144

Dunno.. but just came from a thread where I Cha Feb 2017 #20

That's some crazy shit, lol! 'I love his power...' Wtf? bravenak Feb 2017 #42

******** Cha Feb 2017 #109

DURec. The Democratic Party does not NEED these voters! n/t leftstreet Feb 2017 #27

I don't fucking know ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #28

I Know. Some folks are fucking strange bravenak Feb 2017 #50

I think some people want to sound intellectual ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #89

They go for civility among their own kind rather than equality for all bravenak Feb 2017 #94

+1000 ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #128

bam!!!!!!!!!!!! heaven05 Feb 2017 #162

Love ya! bravenak Feb 2017 #163

Eleven million will be deported starting now...Bannon hopes for war. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2017 #29

I hope bannon gets his bravenak Feb 2017 #61

When racism etc are supported to become policy and Skidmore Feb 2017 #31

I agree! I refuse to go blindly into the night! We should fight✊🏿 bravenak Feb 2017 #55

Fight we will, sheshe2 Feb 2017 #114

I have no use for them either bravenak Feb 2017 #122

Or quietly... revmclaren Feb 2017 #135

We will win in the end. Period. Those who want to slow us down can just stfu bravenak Feb 2017 #137

You dont have to advocate evil policies to sympathize Tiggeroshii Feb 2017 #32

I'm black. Why the fuck should I sympathize with folks who voted for a guy who think I'm lazy? bravenak Feb 2017 #45

Hell, I'm white, and I don't. GaYellowDawg Feb 2017 #77

Good. Thanks bravenak Feb 2017 #85

We've done that Bettie Feb 2017 #47

evil policy to them is equal rights for non whites and gays JI7 Feb 2017 #54

Many of those people are non whites and gays themselves Tiggeroshii Feb 2017 #81

no. many of them are not. and if they are it's people like ben carson. milo etc JI7 Feb 2017 #92

"Not many" or "Several hundred thousand" Tiggeroshii Feb 2017 #146

Those several hundred thousand can fuck off too along with Uncle Ben Carson and the firehair Hitler bravenak Feb 2017 #184

yeah and those "non whites and gay " supporters heaven05 Feb 2017 #169

They are 99% straight and white. fun n serious Feb 2017 #170

Nah. Screw 'em! MineralMan Feb 2017 #142

I disagree. fun n serious Feb 2017 #165

they have been wrong heaven05 Feb 2017 #167

You know who was demonized? Hillary Clinton. By our so-called own. JTFrog Feb 2017 #197

HRC and the Democratic Party did just that mcar Feb 2017 #206

it's who we are. mopinko Feb 2017 #33

To me it's like a slave sympathizing with their master. Fuck that. They can burn bravenak Feb 2017 #46

i dont sympathize w them. mopinko Feb 2017 #71

I wish I could feel pity bravenak Feb 2017 #73

i hope i still can in 4 years. mopinko Feb 2017 #80

We don't have to "let" them into the party. Orsino Feb 2017 #211

No sympathy Bettie Feb 2017 #35

They sure did bravenak Feb 2017 #60

Who (other than Manchin) would this possibly be? Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2017 #40

I suspect most people online trying to get us to love the deplorables Maru Kitteh Feb 2017 #52

I think so too bravenak Feb 2017 #58

yes. remember jpr trump supporters were on here for years JI7 Feb 2017 #64

And some of them brer cat Feb 2017 #104

Because that's what the media says Democrats have to do NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #53

Damn straight! We can pull enough voters who did not vote and regret their choice bravenak Feb 2017 #57

If they change that is up to them. Coddling a message for them is a repulsive idea. BeckyDem Feb 2017 #62

Yep bravenak Feb 2017 #66

K&R. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #63

Fuck these people, every last one of them. onecaliberal Feb 2017 #67

In the ass with no lube bravenak Feb 2017 #68

Amen sis Quayblue Feb 2017 #74

I think your first mistake is assuming that actual Democrats do such a thing... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #79

Damn sure do! bravenak Feb 2017 #95

Patriots day is a great movie Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #84

I never saw it. I just watched The Patriot tho bravenak Feb 2017 #97

It's about the weirdo terrorists that bombed the Boston Marathon Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #111

What they did was fucked up bravenak Feb 2017 #121

I sure as eff do not sympathize with racists, sexists, anti-Semites, xenophobes and ... etherealtruth Feb 2017 #91

Dead industry Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #96

Coal mining is a dead industry etherealtruth Feb 2017 #108

In the meantime.. Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #120

Coal mining is going away. They better figure something else out stat. bravenak Feb 2017 #131

Ok Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #164

What do you think we did when white folks would not hire us to work the mines? bravenak Feb 2017 #166

Bravenak Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #171

Me? Of course not. I'm too young and not stupid enough to move to KY to be a coal miner bravenak Feb 2017 #173

Phasing out Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #179

Cant do shit about it bravenak Feb 2017 #180

it's honestly time to accept that the concept of "work" is going away. forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #203

Sounds good Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #219

When we vote for it instead of thinking we can build a wall to keep the future out. forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #220

No other candidates Metsie Casey Feb 2017 #237

In the mean time the industry barely exists ... if the jobs were there the miners would not be etherealtruth Feb 2017 #138

As did horse carriage makers prior to WW1. LanternWaste Feb 2017 #214

Yes. This is what i mean bravenak Feb 2017 #98

Exactly. Great post. NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #100

K&R... spanone Feb 2017 #101

I'll vote for programs to help Americans, but that doesn't mean they get my sympathy, too. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #106

Here, Here! Brogrizzly Feb 2017 #110

HELL FRIGGEN NO!!!!!!!! samnsara Feb 2017 #112

Know the Enemy, even when they are not the enemy because they are American Citizens. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2017 #113

No sympathy for fascists Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #115

From my perspective I think an important question is how did Nelson Mendela, Ghandi, senaca Feb 2017 #116

Remember that Nelson was a freedom fighter in a majority black country bravenak Feb 2017 #124

By trying to oppress many groups what 45 has done is unite all of us. senaca Feb 2017 #187

I will forgive when we win and never before bravenak Feb 2017 #188

!00 & 1000 Recces Me. Feb 2017 #117

There might be a logical answer to Progressive dog Feb 2017 #118

Both i think bravenak Feb 2017 #119

the friend of my enemy elmac Feb 2017 #125

Mine too, amen bravenak Feb 2017 #126

I Refuse to Sympathize with Them Leith Feb 2017 #127

K and R---some people are not able to be reached.... panader0 Feb 2017 #129

Because we are empathetic Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #130

Yes. We need spines and to stop trying to understand. We cant. We never will. Not like them. bravenak Feb 2017 #133

A friend of mine tried to insist that on me. calimary Feb 2017 #132

Like someone said on this thread, "The friend of my enemy is my enemy." bravenak Feb 2017 #134

Damn straight. No quarter for Trumpsters and no quarter for 3rd party voters. nt msanthrope Feb 2017 #141

Exactly. That mean YOU Stein and Johnson voters! bravenak Feb 2017 #143

+1000 heaven05 Feb 2017 #175

hear, hear! Stellar Feb 2017 #147

Glad to get it off my chest! bravenak Feb 2017 #148

because DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #149

You are absolurely right and that's why I feel bitter right now. bravenak Feb 2017 #151

Every war has them heaven05 Feb 2017 #150

Appeasers. Yes. Them bravenak Feb 2017 #153

the term is "quisling" DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #155

Yes! mcar Feb 2017 #152

Perhaps for the same reason people continue to read your posts after you called DUers racist mythology Feb 2017 #154

what exactly should we be saying to these people? Afromania Feb 2017 #172

Oh please bravenak Feb 2017 #185

+100 meadowlander Feb 2017 #191

Well done. nt zentrum Feb 2017 #156

The truth is RoadhogRidesAgain Feb 2017 #157

That shit is weak!!! They need to get some steel in themselves bravenak Feb 2017 #160

Which ones are asking us to do that? OnionPatch Feb 2017 #182

Take a look around bravenak Feb 2017 #183

For the world to survive, we need to be better at winning hearts and minds jmbar2 Feb 2017 #202

Stephen Miller flashes a "white power" sign from the White House! Cha Feb 2017 #189

What a piece of shit bravenak Feb 2017 #190

Exactly. dalton99a Feb 2017 #198

JHC! sheshe2 Feb 2017 #228

More of what the brainwashed deplorables voted for.. Enemies of America Cha Feb 2017 #192

Instead of Jamaal510 Feb 2017 #193

I save my sympathy for people who deserve it. Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #194

epic kick Blue_Tires Feb 2017 #199

k&r nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #200

Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #204

I feel absolutely ZERO sympathy for them, and here is why... Blaukraut Feb 2017 #205

The weak must be voted out!We want good reps who stand up for our rights and the Constitution judesedit Feb 2017 #207

Weak-minded voters can be won over. Orsino Feb 2017 #208

They're probably the ones who still believe radical noodle Feb 2017 #209

Regardless if we sympathize or not TNLib Feb 2017 #210

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2017 #212

There is no evidence that magnetic monopoles exist. nt fleabiscuit Feb 2017 #215

I'm not sure "sympathize with deplorables" is a correct descriptor for those KPN Feb 2017 #213

Because they are fellow Americans? truebluegreen Feb 2017 #216

I would say I empathize with their confusion and fear DefenseLawyer Feb 2017 #218

Go back to Reagan DownriverDem Feb 2017 #221

I'm just as perplexed as you are! Fantastic Anarchist Feb 2017 #222

It IS f*cking BS! BlueMTexpat Feb 2017 #223

We are way passed to "across the isle" crap mdbl Feb 2017 #224

They destroyed us, why should we even sympathize a little bit with the ignoramuses? lark Feb 2017 #226

It's so simple for me. I hate every last one of them amuse bouche Feb 2017 #227

My sympathies are with those that will suffer True_Blue Feb 2017 #229

Absolutely..well said. nt iluvtennis Feb 2017 #230

I hope you don't mean it has been going on here on DU! Rex Feb 2017 #232

Lol, of course it has! bravenak Feb 2017 #238

Anyone that defends Trump is telling everyone else they like the guy. Rex Feb 2017 #241

They were more interested in being kind to trump voters and i'm not wit it bravenak Feb 2017 #245

Deport repub deplorables Angry Dragon Feb 2017 #234

Yeah Lunabell Feb 2017 #235