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still_one

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79. Let's see. In Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote there
Thu Feb 23, 2017, 02:20 PM
Feb 2017

Same thing in Wisconsin, and the other critical swing states, and yes, it made a difference, and enough of that difference was because of self-identified progressives who refused to vote for Hillary

I think Noam Chomsky said it best:

"Progressives who refused to vote for Hillary Clinton made a ‘bad mistake’"

"Chomsky attacked the arguments made by philosopher Slavoj Zizek, who argued that Trump’s election would at least shake up the system and provide a real rallying point for the left.

“[Zizek makes a] terrible point,” Chomsky told Hasan. “It was the same point that people like him said about Hitler in the early ’30s… he’ll shake up the system in bad ways.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/noam-chomsky-progressives-who-refused-to-vote-for-hillary-clinton-made-a-bad-mistake/

Difference was, 99% of Hillary supporters would have voted for whoever the Democratic nominee was, the reverse did not apply.

In fact, many of those same folks are threatening the Democratic party if Keith Ellison is the elected DNC chair.

As for me, I have no preference who is ELECTED the DNC chair, as long as that person does a good job.





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I'm old and cranky... Zoonart Feb 2017 #1
not just advisers NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #6
Old and Cranky here too! tech3149 Feb 2017 #41
I hear this from many people, that the democratic party needs to be revitalized and back to a RKP5637 Feb 2017 #2
Agree Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #31
No. More. Septuagenarians. randome Feb 2017 #3
The GOP is actually in a better position crazycatlady Feb 2017 #48
Maybe the best thing we have going for us, then, is that the GOP is still entrenched in status quo. randome Feb 2017 #65
I'm getting close to that age, and I agree Retrograde Feb 2017 #81
I'm getting up to that old & creaky age NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #4
Martin O'Malley is 54. n/t FSogol Feb 2017 #24
I was impressed by O'Malley NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #29
If you believe what Hogan and Michael Steele said. He left due to term limits. Without them, he'd FSogol Feb 2017 #42
I was an O'Malley supporter and so impressed with his command of issues. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #66
Sally Yates? CurtEastPoint Feb 2017 #28
registered Republican NewJeffCT Feb 2017 #32
I saw that, too. I wonder if she could be won over. I mean, she seems NORMAL! CurtEastPoint Feb 2017 #35
Yep - the next Generation JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #60
I like what I have seen so far from Buttigieg. LonePirate Feb 2017 #5
The House Democratic Leader is a 76 year old $100 millionaire Renew Deal Feb 2017 #7
Amen. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #37
The 76-year-old House Democratic Leader has institutional memory. GoCubsGo Feb 2017 #69
I think age plays a part in this but not as Dean is suggesting... Docreed2003 Feb 2017 #8
A lot of younger voters do not want to belong to a political party alarimer Feb 2017 #56
No. johnp3907 Feb 2017 #9
At 72, we realize that younger people are needed to take us into the future. SharonAnn Feb 2017 #10
Well said!!! n/t RKP5637 Feb 2017 #22
I've watched Pete in real time as a Michigan neighbor of South Bend. erinlough Feb 2017 #59
Both Howard Dean and Martin O'Malley back Buttigieg. JaneQPublic Feb 2017 #11
Who does get a vote in the matter...and when? CousinIT Feb 2017 #13
447 DNC members, on 23-26 Feb 2017. JaneQPublic Feb 2017 #20
Tx. CousinIT Feb 2017 #21
I Like Him Too Me. Feb 2017 #27
YES! Chasstev365 Feb 2017 #12
Yep, the writing was on the wall and whether we like it or not, tRump saw it and exploited it. n/t RKP5637 Feb 2017 #23
Howard has been calling for "younger blood" in our leadership since Obama was inaugurated DFW Feb 2017 #14
Whoever gets the nomination better get ALL of our support world wide wally Feb 2017 #15
You are correct. n/t FSogol Feb 2017 #25
Yea. 1000000 x that. n/t CousinIT Feb 2017 #30
Howard Dean is right. PatsFan87 Feb 2017 #16
maybe but ellison and perez are Obama generation JI7 Feb 2017 #17
Thank you. Cha Feb 2017 #19
Martin O'Malley endorsed Pete Buttigieg also. Here's what he said: FSogol Feb 2017 #18
Canada has Justin Trudeau greymattermom Feb 2017 #26
Ellison is not the person for the job. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #33
Excellent points, esp Pete the non-Hillary/Non-Bernie candidate (nt) JaneQPublic Feb 2017 #44
Thanks. Time to end the proxy primary fight for the DNC chair. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #54
I like Buttigieg and would be fine with him (though I would rather have Ellison). Goblinmonger Feb 2017 #82
"old and creaky" is an understatement. Scruffy1 Feb 2017 #34
Maybe the problem is too many people just watching? Maybe new union leadership is also needed delisen Feb 2017 #62
It should be Dean as DNC chair, honestly NoGoodNamesLeft Feb 2017 #36
He's a lobbyist now. Is that the right look? truebluegreen Feb 2017 #38
Not actually a lobbyist. JaneQPublic Feb 2017 #46
That's all good then. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #53
Yes. He's right about Dem leadership. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #39
Age is a number. It's the mindset that matters. Cases in point: Liz and Bernie Blaukraut Feb 2017 #40
We had an inspiration Plucketeer Feb 2017 #43
What is all of that about? George II Feb 2017 #63
I have to call on Tom Perez as DNC Chair.. Cha Feb 2017 #73
For someone who won't even register as a Democrat, what does that say, and then brings in people still_one Feb 2017 #74
"what does that say" Plucketeer Feb 2017 #77
How DID the DNC's efforts shine for '16 Plucketeer Feb 2017 #78
Let's see. In Michigan Hillary lost by .3%. Jill Stein received 1.1% of the vote there still_one Feb 2017 #79
"self-identified progressives" Plucketeer Feb 2017 #80
anyone who didn't vote for Hillary knowing what was at stake is either NOT a progressive still_one Feb 2017 #83
Yes. toddwv Feb 2017 #45
Just. Get. On. With. It. BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #47
We defiantly need to get back to a 50 state strategy TNLib Feb 2017 #49
Absolutely. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #55
Absolutely RIGHT that! n/t CousinIT Feb 2017 #71
DNC Chair Debate tonight on CNN at 10 p.m. ET JaneQPublic Feb 2017 #50
Oh! Thanks! n/t CousinIT Feb 2017 #61
Am surprised Dean isn't supporting Perez flamingdem Feb 2017 #51
Maybe we should grade them on performance? randr Feb 2017 #52
He has a point... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #57
Agreed! Phoenix61 Feb 2017 #58
Too much scapegoating; to much ageism. nt delisen Feb 2017 #64
Yes. This. GoCubsGo Feb 2017 #70
I think geography is more of an obstacle than age hollowdweller Feb 2017 #67
I think this is true. Willie Pep Feb 2017 #75
Get off of my lawn!!!!!!!!!!! nt Blue_true Feb 2017 #68
May be? kentuck Feb 2017 #72
Make new friends but keep the old Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2017 #76
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