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eniwetok

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24. ROTF... you haven't proven anything....

Thu Feb 23, 2017, 07:56 PM

Feb 2017

"We've been telling white working class people that they are voting against their interests for DECADES. We've provided evidence. We've experienced the results. Racism still wins.

The idea that it will work if we just ignore identity politics and embrace class identity is already proven wrong.

Yup... we've noticed... not sure they have... that they are voting against their economic interests... yet does it ring true? Since 1993 the Dems have largely given up on labor and started pushing free trade... while the GOP that REALLY wants to shaft labor, hands out tax cuts funded with borrowed money. It's not as simple as "we've been telling them...".

But then you add to the errors in your thinking by assuming, falsely, that race is reason... and therefore there's no need for the Dems to emphasize REAL economic issues.

People are multidimensional. They vote for many reasons... and no doubt many are racist. But the culture wars and identity politics crowds out that larger, overarching issue which is economics. The Dems... more precisely, corporate Dems, have muddied the water further and given up on the Dem's core advantage that has the broadest appeal. Now Trump has stolen that issue... for a while.

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We Need A Class Consciousness Revival [View all] eniwetok Feb 2017 OP

I disagree... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #1

It's VERY SELECTIVE civil rights... eniwetok Feb 2017 #4

Yes, we are hung up transgendered bathrooms. It is called civil rights. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #8

thanks for proving my point... eniwetok Feb 2017 #25

thanks for proving HER point DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #35

Thanks for ANOTHER display of irrational "thinking" eniwetok Feb 2017 #40

of c ourse there are economic issues DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #64

Let's try this.... eniwetok Feb 2017 #44

actually , NO DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #65

Isn't that what I said in the OP? eniwetok Feb 2017 #80

You are welcome. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #42

I'll take your non-response as a concession... eniwetok Feb 2017 #45

Assuming are you? Well you know what they say... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #48

Hey, YOU are the one who ran from the debate... eniwetok Feb 2017 #51

TRANSLATION: Dems should DROP all talk of economic solidarity! eniwetok Feb 2017 #73

Yeah, there it is. Identity politics is the rightwing word for diversity and civil rights. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #2

Uh? Please explain... Here's what I wrote AGAIN... eniwetok Feb 2017 #3

Yes, there will always be a need to recognize some legitimate issues of identity repression DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #36

you're ignoring the BIGGER questions... eniwetok Feb 2017 #39

You sound genuinely resentful that women, LGBTs and POC have legit basic human rights issues.... bettyellen Feb 2017 #68

You sound resentful of basic rights like civic equality, health care.... eniwetok Feb 2017 #76

Nope. I'm fighting for other things too-and not asking anyone to back burner their civil rights- as bettyellen Feb 2017 #87

The poster said 'dragged' into leftstreet Feb 2017 #15

I can see why identity politics started... eniwetok Feb 2017 #17

The problem with class ymetca Feb 2017 #5

So feminism as an ideology is fine... eniwetok Feb 2017 #6

Feminism has had it's problems, too Lanius Feb 2017 #7

But I don't think they really are two different issues ymetca Feb 2017 #10

"That is where all the world's power truly lies." eniwetok Feb 2017 #11

I think the rich are as blind to class warfare ymetca Feb 2017 #12

There you go again... so I say again... eniwetok Feb 2017 #34

You fail right out of the gate. Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #9

+1 La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2017 #13

I wish we could rec' posts. ++++++++++++++++++ JHan Feb 2017 #14

wow... two applaud... and I can't even figure out what you meant. eniwetok Feb 2017 #16

Maybe they think They ARE voting for their economic interests leftstreet Feb 2017 #21

Read your own post again: Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #22

I have a better idea... don't edit my post! eniwetok Feb 2017 #27

I copied and pasted directly from your post Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #28

BULLCRAP ALERT!!! eniwetok Feb 2017 #29

LOL--it's called quoting. Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #33

Fine... you win the debate with your own strawmen. eniwetok Feb 2017 #53

seriously... do you think I care about "recs"? eniwetok Feb 2017 #84

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+100 Quayblue Feb 2017 #31

10000000X Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #43

Racism is stronger than class identity. Adrahil Feb 2017 #18

the Right has a vested interest in keeping racism alive... eniwetok Feb 2017 #19

Yes. They applied it and it worked. Adrahil Feb 2017 #23

ROTF... you haven't proven anything.... eniwetok Feb 2017 #24

so we should go back to the good old days DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #37

Pray tell, how can anyone conclude that from anything I said? eniwetok Feb 2017 #38

because DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #62

No... YOU are claiming it's a Right Wing label... eniwetok Feb 2017 #72

You are completely kidding yourself. Adrahil Feb 2017 #66

That would be appropriatate for Sean Hanity's show...rightie talking point for sure . Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #50

Study the reality of whiteness as a invisible societal norm ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #20

what does that have to do with Dems emphasizing economics? eniwetok Feb 2017 #32

Everything ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #57

get back to me when you want to post something thoughtful eniwetok Feb 2017 #59

Americans don't want to admit that we a class system kiranerys Feb 2017 #26

I was just saying that same thing today myself. AJT Feb 2017 #30

Just a few thoughts on this VERY complex issue........... socialist_n_TN Feb 2017 #41

thanks for that thoughtful response... eniwetok Feb 2017 #46

I doubt that any political party that supports capitalism...... socialist_n_TN Feb 2017 #47

aggregation of wealth is easier in an antidemocratic system... eniwetok Feb 2017 #49

The "minority of the opulent"......... socialist_n_TN Feb 2017 #61

when I say antidemocractic... eniwetok Feb 2017 #70

But you can't separate the political system........... socialist_n_TN Feb 2017 #77

and yet the Framers didn't trust the corporate form... eniwetok Feb 2017 #82

BTW, the term "class consciousness" itself is Marxist....... socialist_n_TN Feb 2017 #60

Sure... I could not think of a better term eniwetok Feb 2017 #71

Talking about class leads to cognitive dissonance for believers in American exceptionalism. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #52

why isn't antidemocratic government also on your list? eniwetok Feb 2017 #54

Antidemocratic government was built in to this system guillaumeb Feb 2017 #55

The Senate was set up to preserve the status quo -- i.e. to protect the interests of the elite Lanius Feb 2017 #56

True. It was originally set up so Senators were not even elected. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #58

why DonCoquixote Feb 2017 #63

missing from your "analysis" is the political NATURE of our system. eniwetok Feb 2017 #79

Except FigTree Feb 2017 #67

"Whatever" forjusticethunders Feb 2017 #69

Who said I was a Marxist? eniwetok Feb 2017 #74

You are arguing for all of us to work together. It's a good idea but unfortunately I think most jalan48 Feb 2017 #75

We Have To Attack The Right's Coalition Building Strategy eniwetok Feb 2017 #78

I agree with you. especially if we take the long view of what is necessary for our society. jalan48 Feb 2017 #81

The far Right took the long view in the 1970s... eniwetok Feb 2017 #83