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153. If there were no constitutional provision against a poll tax we'd be having arguments about it on DU

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 11:38 AM

Jun 2012

If there's nothing wrong with a tax on persons not purchasing a private good, declaring something held in common to be a commodity to be sold on the private market regulated by the government and mandating that citizens participate in that market, then what is the argument against voter ID (after all, everyone who drives already has to carry ID AND insurance)? What is the argument against a poll tax (after all, surely if it is bad to force people to pay to vote, it is bad to fine them for breathing without paying a protection racket for a fake insurance policy because they can't afford decent coverage). And Hillary Clinton and other mainstream "former" liberals talking about how going around without insurance hurts everyone else, just like not painting your house the correct color hurts the property values of the other houses in your homeowners association... it's a Homeowners Association view of the world.

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Every American citizen is now required to help make insurance corporations richer. Enjoy! [View all] Zalatix Jun 2012 OP

You will eat your words as we continue to improve healthcare to all. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #1

I sure hope so. But I doubt it. I most certainly will die of old age before it happens. Zalatix Jun 2012 #3

I hope not. Schema Thing Jun 2012 #15

Health insurance is not health care. enlightenment Jul 2012 #326

Not to be rude, but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #68

Not only that, millions would be uninsured and health insurance would be more expensive Major Nikon Jun 2012 #275

You would be perfectly justified if you actually were rude. nt pinboy3niner Jun 2012 #301

This is better than not having it.You will not die with lack of coverage even if you have a preexist The Wielding Truth Jun 2012 #138

Instead you will die because the crappy bronze coverage (all that you can afford) eridani Jun 2012 #223

Actually, this is not necessarially true and I think you know it. nt nanabugg Jun 2012 #139

I would bet you money I'm right on this. Zalatix Jun 2012 #148

I completely agree with nana!! hue Jun 2012 #162

Perhaps you will be able to die of old age.... chknltl Jun 2012 #208

Actually, this will eat into their profits. FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #219

Most Americans will see positive changes Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #8

You mean Romneycare. Bye DU n/t Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #17

Bye...nt SidDithers Jun 2012 #31

If I were to leave DU in the mood I am in right now Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #156

The ACA WAS, IS and ALWAYS WILL BE a CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICAN IDEA bighart Jun 2012 #191

Makes perfect sense. That's why all of them voted against it Major Nikon Jun 2012 #276

Well let's see......... bighart Jun 2012 #285

If McCain had won and proposed *exactly the same bill* Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #288

That's a big "If" Major Nikon Jun 2012 #309

So your response to the exerpts I posted above is that they thought of it bighart Jul 2012 #322

u sound like a faux noose watcher!! thats a nice way of calling u an arse! NavyDavy Jul 2012 #327

If I were to return the favor Major Nikon Jul 2012 #328

bye. don't write. dionysus Jun 2012 #231

dionysus... SidDithers... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #242

No, most won't zipplewrath Jun 2012 #117

That was the intention of the bill, according to Washington Monthly in 06-07 Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #154

And the POTUS zipplewrath Jun 2012 #175

Remember when people here said they would not forget how our leaders folded on health care reform? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #192

Third way zipplewrath Jun 2012 #194

Well we did shift the costs of care off of the government and high income earners.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #210

Very true. The 85% of Americans who do not get expensivly sick will benefit eridani Jun 2012 #224

Exactly ... remember what they said in SiCKO: theaocp Jun 2012 #225

Yes, 60% increase in premiums over 5 years kenny blankenship Jun 2012 #315

when? CleanLucre Jun 2012 #24

Not in this lifetime. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #51

Obamacare can still serve as the foundation for that, although it will take pnwmom Jun 2012 #2

It amazes me how people can jump to the worst possible conclusion Drale Jun 2012 #5

I understand why people are pessimistic, but the people who are more optimistic, pnwmom Jun 2012 #48

Especially when they are, like Obama, President of the United States? WinkyDink Jun 2012 #56

He wouldn't be President if he weren't optimistic. pnwmom Jun 2012 #63

An optimistic person would not be drumming up deficit hysteria.. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #211

Exactly treestar Jun 2012 #78

No, it's called having been around the block more than a few decades. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #53

It's the liberal way. 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #81

Whatever happened to the Liberals who rolled up their sleeves, and said, "OK, let's get to work now!" Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #169

Like the repugs - always "we can't possibly get this to work" bhikkhu Jun 2012 #95

how's that NAFTA renegotiation working out for you? frylock Jun 2012 #188

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2012 #206

Until then, middle class workers with pre-existing conditions will pay thousands extra per month Zalatix Jun 2012 #9

Those with pre-existing conditions cannot be charged extra. Where do your information? progree Jun 2012 #30

They get charged extra when the insurance companies jack the rates for everyone eridani Jun 2012 #267

What is MLR and where do you get your figure that MLR was 95% in the 90s? and what is it now? progree Jul 2012 #325

They are not being charged extra Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #34

Don't confuse me with the facts emulatorloo Jun 2012 #57

Sorry but Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #71

... emulatorloo Jun 2012 #90

Wrong. Premiums will only rise with age and income, not with preexisting conditions. pnwmom Jun 2012 #55

"Premiums will only rise with age"---and this is supposed to be good? WinkyDink Jun 2012 #61

LOL, nailed it. Zalatix Jun 2012 #76

There are only a few broad age categories and the difference in cost pnwmom Jun 2012 #80

An extra 8% blow to a budget that's often 110% spoken for. Zalatix Jun 2012 #84

There will also be an expansion of Medicaid and substantial premium subsidies pnwmom Jun 2012 #89

How does that help middle class workers Zalatix Jun 2012 #104

I've heard that health insurance can only be a certain % of income now. raouldukelives Jun 2012 #110

The Medicaid expansion is now a state option. Gormy Cuss Jun 2012 #181

and income treestar Jun 2012 #82

Agree 100%. ChazII Jun 2012 #98

It won't go up simply because of income, but people with lower incomes pnwmom Jun 2012 #216

"It only affects THOSE people who don't have insurance. It doesn't affect MOST of us" Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #150

I think most here do not understand microeconomics or macroeconomics. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #212

And if you don't like the coverage, you opt out, pay your tax and you're covered Fawke Em Jun 2012 #116

More options for consumer = huge win Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #123

I assume you don't plan on trying that, because It's NOT how it works Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #152

You just mentioned the loophole. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #207

I can tell you one thing... the jumping and cheering for "individual responsibility" for health care Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #248

Do you like making up your own facts? LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #88

You forgot to mention "they will just pay the EXTRA TAX" on top of what they pay now. Zalatix Jun 2012 #107

They are not going to pay a tax if they have health insurance. LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #142

Its not a choice, its an immoral, mercantilist fine on the working poor which gov't is calling a tax Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #159

The very poor are exempt from the tax. LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #183

So what is the point of the tax / fine? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #193

questions CleanLucre Jun 2012 #28

SS didn't even cover half the workers when it was first passed Major Nikon Jun 2012 #277

I support the decision but I never understood why health chelsea0011 Jun 2012 #4

They opposed it because it effectively introduces the federal government as a competitor slackmaster Jun 2012 #10

It's a matter of perspective. earthside Jun 2012 #13

"However, just watch what happens now that this law is 'good to go'." Occulus Jun 2012 #108

They have to accept those with pre-existing conditions Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #38

Maybe this part? LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #96

Actually, the ACA isn't the windfall ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #105

No they aren't. They can pay the tax (and yes I can now call it a tax), which doesn't go to... phleshdef Jun 2012 #6

And that's the key point JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #12

Now that it is a tax Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #16

Horray, more money for drones. Zalatix Jun 2012 #21

Drones don't cost as much as an aircraft carrier Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #43

Hmmm JustAnotherGen Jun 2012 #49

"Now that it is a tax" -- nothing has changed, it is a penalty levied on the working poor Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #189

WHAT IS THIS "THEY" PEOPLE ON DU KEEP SPEAKING OF Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #22

FUCK ANYONE WHO WANTS TO DENY ME HEALTHCARE MattBaggins Jun 2012 #58

I'm very sorry. But your situation does not comprise the part I oppose. WinkyDink Jun 2012 #65

Scalia and Alito agree with you. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #87

No offense but that's appeal by association Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #141

Amen. treestar Jun 2012 #74

MattBaggins this ruling must Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #91

ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SEE ME LOSE MY CHANCE AT INSURANCE as well Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #125

Chances are, your health insurer wants to deny you health care. girl gone mad Jun 2012 #235

Excuse me, but I'm going to make this PERFECTLY CLEAR to you. Zalatix Jun 2012 #252

I didn't mean to offend MattBaggins. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #262

Ah, good reads, thanks for the information! Zalatix Jun 2012 #272

YOU ARE SIDING WITH THE KOCH BROS, SCALIA AND ALITO, CORPORATE REPUBLICANs emulatorloo Jun 2012 #77

Agreed LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #106

The fight is not over! Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #113

They did all that because they are radical Ayn Rand corporate fascists, and HCR is mercantilist. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #126

People that don't want to buy health insurance. Reading comprehension is your friend. phleshdef Jun 2012 #119

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #143

"You are a deadbeat that doesn't want to buy insurance." phleshdef Jun 2012 #147

People keep referring to this "they" as if to suggest they aren't here on DU, including me and Matt Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #151

I'm pretty sure the working poor, at least for the most part, qualify to be exempt from the mandate. phleshdef Jun 2012 #170

you are not exempt if you make more than $9000 a year $19000 for a family (roughly) Dragonfli Jun 2012 #179

Dragonfli, you are another person on DU at present who is currently uninsured Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #243

I can offer you the perspective of one surrounded by people that just can't afford it. Dragonfli Jun 2012 #259

I am unemployed, but I am not as bad off Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #261

Last time I was offered health insurance I couldn't afford it. BuelahWitch Jun 2012 #318

Hey, we jail homeless people in the winter for humanitarian reasons Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #335

I don't understand why it's only 15 million people because 133% poverty is closer to 50 million. joshcryer Jun 2012 #249

A Health savings account won't work as I have less coming in than going out Dragonfli Jun 2012 #258

Thank you, you have explained what many people don't seem to want to acknowledge. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #278

The tax/fine is an uneconomic incentive, though Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #196

... "won't go to insurance companies" ... Myrina Jun 2012 #64

Cough has nothing to do with anything concerning the ACA cough cough phleshdef Jun 2012 #121

This is my feeling too... jimlup Jun 2012 #7

Sigh. Another "victory" for the President. Laelth Jun 2012 #11

Explain to me why Koch Bros spent MILLIONS to destroy Obamacare emulatorloo Jun 2012 #52

I suspect the Koch brothers don't give a rip about the ACA. Laelth Jun 2012 #85

So it is just a head fake? emulatorloo Jun 2012 #120

Anything to destroy Obama. Laelth Jun 2012 #140

+1 n/t Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #145

Actually, ProSense Jun 2012 #14

Isn't there a limit on profit percentages, too? randome Jun 2012 #19

I believe you are right.... CherokeeDem Jun 2012 #69

+1 million treestar Jun 2012 #72

Section 2718 bhikkhu Jun 2012 #86

Yes, 80 percent of what they take in has to be spent on healthcare emulatorloo Jun 2012 #101

It's better than that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #124

So 85 percent for overhead. Excellent emulatorloo Jun 2012 #127

Now for some real world application ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #174

But if your employer doesn't insure you, you're royally jones'd. Zalatix Jun 2012 #20

Health insurance corporation lobbyists ... earthside Jun 2012 #26

I wish I could bookmark your post. Zalatix Jun 2012 #35

Nonsense. n/t ProSense Jun 2012 #27

Naïve. n/t earthside Jun 2012 #29

Spiteful! n/t ProSense Jun 2012 #33

Notice ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #128

There's no supposition about it Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #190

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #197

There is a divide on this issue between those directly affected and those who will merely see their Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #200

There ALWAYS is, on Every issue ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #209

You got it reverse, you're saying, if it hurts low income uninsured, but helps middle class Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #217

Premiums in Mass went down at the same time every other state went up Major Nikon Jun 2012 #279

Wait until this mandatory provision kicks in. The (green) blood will flow. Zalatix Jun 2012 #40

Actually CleanLucre Jun 2012 #37

Note that today's decision allows states to opt out of the Medicaid expansion... PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #50

Actually capping operating expenses and profits to 15% - 20% (excluding the hundreds of exemptions Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #164

Scalia, Alito and Thomas won Kennedy over to your side. They thought they had the mandate defeated, pampango Jun 2012 #18

Roberts was paid off by the Insurance Industry, he was always a Business Hack Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #23

Except insurance cos spent millions to defeat Obamacare emulatorloo Jun 2012 #41

Do you have proof of any kind? treestar Jun 2012 #83

I am sure a link will show up from a wingnut conspiracy website emulatorloo Jun 2012 #122

Washington Monthly Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #146

Yep, with all the needed tenuous connections treestar Jun 2012 #149

Even "Single payer" would be run and managed by the insurance companies.....so I'm not sure I get cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #25

my medicare payments are processed by insurance companies..... madrchsod Jun 2012 #232

I work for a health insurance company and a lot of our business is Medicare and Medicaid.... cbdo2007 Jun 2012 #250

If not them, the health care providers (emergency room owners) liberal N proud Jun 2012 #32

This will make the system more Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #46

No one is required to give one cent to insurance companies Freddie Stubbs Jun 2012 #36

oh CleanLucre Jun 2012 #39

+100 Myrina Jun 2012 #73

Not a scam. Just the facts Freddie Stubbs Jul 2012 #338

We'll see how it plays out. CleanLucre Jul 2012 #339

Just like nobody was stopped from voting. Just pay a tax! nt Romulox Jun 2012 #132

If there were no constitutional provision against a poll tax we'd be having arguments about it on DU Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #153

Yup, this law is going to bite a lot of Americans on the ass. Zalatix Jun 2012 #229

Can't say I'm dancing for joy for that reason deutsey Jun 2012 #42

Please, you sound like the left's version of the Tea Party. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #44

Yes, because I oppose RomneyCare on Steroids, I'm a Tea Partier. Gotcha. Zalatix Jun 2012 #54

The LEFT'S version is what the poster said treestar Jun 2012 #70

"The left's version of the tea party" = ridiculous contradiction in terms. Zalatix Jun 2012 #75

It is a perfectly sensible analogy. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #103

Yes, it's sensible if you're living in a universe where 1+1=3 Zalatix Jun 2012 #111

It's more like this treestar Jun 2012 #161

Sorry, but Leftists aren't extremists... unless you define accepting reality as extreme. Zalatix Jun 2012 #165

When did it become Leftist, much less Right wing, to oppose Stamp-Act style mercantilism Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #168

STAMP ACT!!! Damn, I totally forgot about that. Thank you, +1000! Zalatix Jun 2012 #180

Left and right are relative terms treestar Jun 2012 #178

"Left and right are relative terms", but one is based on reality and one is not. Zalatix Jun 2012 #182

They vote treestar Jun 2012 #184

Sensible treestar Jun 2012 #163

The poster meant, clearly, the extreme treestar Jun 2012 #160

Romney had very little to do with "Romneycare" Major Nikon Jun 2012 #280

Don't you dare blame the left - TBF Jun 2012 #186

I'm not selling the abolishment of the whole ACA. Just the individual mandate. Zalatix Jun 2012 #283

None of us like privatization - TBF Jun 2012 #286

Is that the new talking point out of Democratic Party headquarters? Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #289

My 16 year old Niece, cancer surviver, no longer has a "pre-existing condition" keeping her JoePhilly Jun 2012 #45

Millions of people are in this position Harmony Blue Jun 2012 #144

I know her life will be dramatically better ... JoePhilly Jun 2012 #199

This could have been done while putting the insurance companies on a much tighter leash Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #290

Was never going to happen with the JoePhilly Jun 2012 #297

Obama was able to take the Progressives to the woodshed to get them to support the bill Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #299

Thank you! What we needed was restrictions Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #300

I'll spot you all of the blue dogs, all you as President have to do is flip Lieberman. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #324

The 60 vote rule is artificial and unnecessary, and you know it Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #329

Non-responsive reply. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #340

If the Dems take the Senate, they should get rid of the fake filibuster Lydia Leftcoast Jul 2012 #341

you can avoid making insurance corporations richer by simply paying your taxes. unblock Jun 2012 #47

Exactly! And I can't believe people don't SEE it!!! Myrina Jun 2012 #59

I know, right?!? How dare you be forced to insure your employees! Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #92

Who says you have to provide health care? LiberalFighter Jun 2012 #114

More RW Talking Points!! YAYY!!! Son of Gob Jun 2012 #238

This post shows that you do not know what provisions for small employers are in the ACA. Ikonoklast Jun 2012 #254

Rightwing NFIB lies and propaganda. geek tragedy Jun 2012 #271

lolz Hop aboard Bunky! JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #287

***** OR PAY A 100usd "FINE"? I'LL PAY THE FINE****** uponit7771 Jun 2012 #60

In 2016 and thereafter the penalty is $695 or 2.5% of income, WHICHEVER IS GREATER, nt progree Jul 2012 #330

Actually, millions of American citizens will now live due to having healthcare. DCBob Jun 2012 #62

Your concern on this matter is noted. Robb Jun 2012 #66

+1 mac56 Jun 2012 #97

Ha ha MichaelMcGuire Jun 2012 #292

I see it as a first step Bettie Jun 2012 #67

I have already benefitted from the ACA... no co-pay on GYN tests that found a condition Windy Jun 2012 #79

Someone's always compelled to pee in the punchbowl. mac56 Jun 2012 #93

Do you currently have health insurance coverage? NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #94

I pay for my own, being self-employed. I pay for my workers' insurance, too. Zalatix Jun 2012 #135

Not for long though Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #99

Welcome to NeoAmerica! woo me with science Jun 2012 #100

The fact that Scalia is having a meltdown and that insurance cos spent MILLIONS emulatorloo Jun 2012 #112

40 million uninsured people, will be covered. Those with pre-existing conditions will be covered still_one Jun 2012 #102

Public School District's Self-Insured was far, far HockeyMom Jun 2012 #109

"Unless you sign up for COBRA, your Pre-Existing HockeyMom Jun 2012 #155

I hear you. Hell Hath No Fury Jun 2012 #115

F.T.W. BOG PERSON Jun 2012 #118

and those companies are regulated like a utility, limited rate of profit and new regulated business CreekDog Jun 2012 #129

If we're FORCED to buy, they should be NOT-FOR-PROFIT. Capitalism is based on consumer choice. nt Romulox Jun 2012 #130

I agree, but that's not a reason to throw Obamacare out CreekDog Jun 2012 #133

It's the Heritage Foundation's healthcare plan. It shouldn't have been passed Romulox Jun 2012 #136

do you want Obamacare gone or not? do you have health insurance now? CreekDog Jun 2012 #173

Then push your state to implement non-profit insurance? joshcryer Jun 2012 #214

Citizen's United means corps. can spend UNLIMITED money to get politicians to make us by things. Romulox Jun 2012 #131

Look, I would have preferred a single-payer system because Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #134

So would I HockeyMom Jun 2012 #157

Have him email me laundry_queen Jun 2012 #239

Romney just announced he will repeal Obamacare. emulatorloo Jun 2012 #137

and replace it with Romneycare KurtNYC Jun 2012 #171

What was the difference? leftstreet Jun 2012 #185

I miss the unrec so much Logical Jun 2012 #158

Looks like the vast majority of people still on DU support mandatory private health care Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #166

they consider it a win for the D's even though it was hatched by the R's ..a political compromise xiamiam Jun 2012 #177

I don't know what I'll do any more Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #198

I'm positive I'll have to move to another country either way if I want Single Payer. HughBeaumont Jun 2012 #167

No, you are wrong again TBF Jun 2012 #172

I miss unrec {sigh}. n/t R. P. McMurphy Jun 2012 #176

This does worry me... Tommykun Jun 2012 #187

Could prove to be a pyrrhic victory Broderick Jun 2012 #195

You are wrong. Profits are limited under the ACA. n/t Bolo Boffin Jun 2012 #201

that makes sense to me, but, stock went down on insurance. insurance fought it. seabeyond Jun 2012 #202

this is the very beginning of universal healthcare. it will change and go through many phases. spanone Jun 2012 #203

As opposed to the prior system, where...? Scootaloo Jun 2012 #204

Private insurance will continue to do what insuricare does best. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #220

If you want to be intellectually honest, make your argument with figures and data. rhett o rick Jun 2012 #205

You can thank Bush for the regressive Health Savings Account and don't have to pay a dime. joshcryer Jun 2012 #213

It's a possibility Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #218

No liberals should support putting their money in an HSA. joshcryer Jun 2012 #222

I intend to exercise Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #245

Oh, Ron Paul et al would effectively mandate this crap. joshcryer Jun 2012 #246

Now that is what I call telling the truth. Zalatix Jun 2012 #281

Single payer wasn't going to be enacted if the ACA was ruled unconstitutional mythology Jun 2012 #215

It took nearly 15 years to get another stab at health care reform salin Jun 2012 #221

And now I don't have to pay for some visiting the ER for a runny nose. liberal N proud Jun 2012 #226

Sucks to be you. I'm celebrating the benefits EmeraldCityGrl Jun 2012 #227

This one's a little better. Robb Jun 2012 #228

Yeah, yeah, blah, blah, blah. Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #230

And if I don't? Zalatix Jun 2012 #236

Leprechauns will come into your bed and take you away. n/t Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #237

Yeah, I thought so. Zalatix Jun 2012 #241

LOL. Good for you. Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #255

You define disagreeing with you as whining? Really? Zalatix Jun 2012 #257

LOL. Bullying? Now that's funny. Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #294

Bullying? No. Attempting to bully in a laughably pathetic way? Yup. Zalatix Jun 2012 #295

Really? Because your OP is just that: Downtown Hound Jun 2012 #296

Yup, your post shows a major reading problem. And ignorant rage, too. Zalatix Jun 2012 #298

gee...i`m so glad i`m on medicare... madrchsod Jun 2012 #233

Splitter... Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #247

The vast majority of people did that anyway Hippo_Tron Jun 2012 #234

Actually, you are wrong... VT has already passed a single-payer health care initiative. glowing Jun 2012 #240

Insurance corporations will also want states to opt in loyalsister Jun 2012 #244

And for good measure... meaculpa2011 Jun 2012 #251

Possible upcoming scenario: Southerner Jun 2012 #253

They already want to do this, it's called Social Security privatization Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #264

They have plans for cuts as well, this straight from the third way site: Dragonfli Jun 2012 #265

The Democratic Party leadership. n/t rudycantfail Jun 2012 #269

I work in medicaid, there is talks in my state to hand some Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #302

and private,most likely, means for profit with different priorities lunasun Jun 2012 #311

+1 Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #336

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #256

You mean... the OP, or the Insurance industry briarpatching the American public? Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #263

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #268

So you're calling out a DUer as a malicious intruder, for opposing Romneycare? Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #333

It's 100% true. So it's working out fine. Zalatix Jun 2012 #282

No, it's exaggeration, not "100% true" muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #284

Why is everyone on DU so freaking buggy extreme? YellowRubberDuckie Jun 2012 #260

Yes there is no stopping them from raising premiums as high as they want, which is the fatal flaw. alarimer Jun 2012 #266

Go cry in your beer with Nino Scalia and Thomas. Those of us geek tragedy Jun 2012 #270

Excuse me, but I never said I oppose ALL OF THE ACA, so please re-read what I said. Zalatix Jun 2012 #274

It would have been better had you made that clearer TBF Jun 2012 #308

Perhaps. Zalatix Jun 2012 #312

Fuck single payer - I support a full British/Scandanavian style National Health Service socialized Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #273

It would have to be stealth Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #291

We may be pleasantly surprised however - TBF Jul 2012 #323

I actually like the capping executive salaries that is written in to it tjwash Jun 2012 #293

A mass exit off of this gravy train??? not likely even with provisions in bill lunasun Jun 2012 #310

I like that part, too. Let those greedy CEOs leave if they want to. Zalatix Jul 2012 #321

"is now required to help make insurance corporations richer." PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #303

And help other Americans obtain healthcare. elleng Jun 2012 #304

I bluestateguy Jun 2012 #305

No, I'll be staying in Vermont where single payer will be enacted. cali Jun 2012 #306

As someone who was not born in this country... Sarah Ibarruri Jun 2012 #307

How? EC Jun 2012 #313

No, when they resume hiking rates by the max of what, 10% every year? This'll be what they do Zalatix Jun 2012 #314

We'll just have to keep the Senate EC Jun 2012 #316

I hear that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #319

I also heard you can not exempt for religious reasons if over 10K lunasun Jun 2012 #317

I can't imagine thats true Leopolds Ghost Jul 2012 #334

Heard this weekend there will be a religious exemption if you are in the " taxable "bracket 4 a fine lunasun Jul 2012 #337

WRONG! They are required to send out rebates if the Medical Loss Ratio NashvilleLefty Jul 2012 #320

Single Payer System would have been preferable. nt AJTheMan Jul 2012 #331

Bump, to add real world calculations. Zalatix Jul 2012 #332

Help! wisdomm11 Jul 2012 #342