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In reply to the discussion: Well, once again, we the people have lost. [View all]
ecstatic
(35,001 posts)111. Look at this:
From http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1768213-Healthcare-Individual-Mandate-not-Enforceable:
Whatever the Supreme Court decides today, the health care bill itself concludes that the mandate really isn't a mandate at all. There are no consequences for not getting health insurance. From the bill itself:
"Section G 2 (A) WAIVER OF CRIMINAL PENALTIES.—In the case of
any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed
by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any
criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure.
‘‘(B) LIMITATIONS ON LIENS AND LEVIES.—The Secretary
shall not—
‘‘(i) file notice of lien with respect to any property
of a taxpayer by reason of any failure to pay the
penalty imposed by this section, or
‘‘(ii) levy on any such property with respect to
such failure.’’
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Of course you don't. Those with income below 133% of the poverty level will be eligible for Medicaid
bornskeptic
Jun 2012
#112
How does this work? It used to be that those who were indigent were covered directly by
sabrina 1
Jun 2012
#226
Actually, it *is* an income tax. Specifically, it is 1% of your taxable income for a few years.
ieoeja
Jun 2012
#249
And that tax does NOT get you health care or health insurance, it's strictly a penalty.
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#73
Pretty much. Especially if your state refuses to establish an exchange.
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2012
#89
Even if the tax assists the exchanges, it only means that after paying a tax, you still have to buy
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#165
If they do go bankrupt, then maybe Congress will have to give us single payer? nt
freedom fighter jh
Jun 2012
#197
Or.. you can realize that we're already paying a shitload of money to cover the uninsured already nt
progressivebydesign
Jun 2012
#67
I believe there's a misunderstanding because USSC compared mandatory ins to a tax, which
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#85
And I guarantee that there are people working at blocking every one of those loopholes.
Swede
Jun 2012
#40
And let's not forget they had two years to hike them ridiculously in preparation.
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#48
I gather you're not a bookkeeper or accountant or anything that would allow you to
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#95
I'm an actuary, have worked mostly on retirement plans but also on health insurance.
eomer
Jun 2012
#121
You gave me no additional facts. That bit of subterfuge has been known from the beginning,
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#167
Cool - so based on this, we the people are winning with this legislation, not losing.
klook
Jun 2012
#216
I gather you've never been through a government audit looking for all those hidden/improper charges.
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#122
Yes, been audited (well the companies I worked for) for payroll, workmens' comp, and sales/use tax.
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#169
BTW, as a young accoutant I participated in auditing a very large TX company,
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#175
i seem to recall reading that the 80-85% mandate was actually lower than current practice. if
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#223
Those with turnips for brains will fight this law just like the birthers and their insanity
DainBramaged
Jun 2012
#126
So what other Republican policy will you sleepwalk your way into supporting? n/t
MadHound
Jun 2012
#148
You're being hateful in calling people names, but accuse others of hatefulness. Classic you.
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#177
Oh brother... I am tired of paying for uninsured people thru my taxes now.
progressivebydesign
Jun 2012
#72
Oh brother... I am tired of hearing that bullshit. The government collects taxes from
Autumn
Jun 2012
#152
thank you. thank you. (took the words right out of my mouth - and then, some more! :)
inna
Jun 2012
#320
I thought that post was being sarcastic so I rec'd it. But thanks for the information. Very telling.
freshwest
Jun 2012
#242
I have no problem paying for the uninsured poor. I do have a problem paying for the 38%...
joshcryer
Jun 2012
#268
Will, we both know that what the president says does not necessarily translate to what gets done
xiamiam
Jun 2012
#27
Your bitter tears, when so many are rightly celebrating, are nectar to my soul...nt
SidDithers
Jun 2012
#38
It is remarkably like a GOP presser, ain't it? It's hilarious to hear their reactions on the radio.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2012
#99
not to 40 million uninsured people it isn't, and those with pre-exisiting conditions, and those
still_one
Jun 2012
#8
The government doesn't need to collect more revenue from the middle class..
girl gone mad
Jun 2012
#164
And you think that the provision prohibiting raising premiums without justification...
cynatnite
Jun 2012
#52
Really it shouldn't take much inside trading to see what some money grubbers have in mind
nolabels
Jun 2012
#162
cut out the little guys; what's so surprising? they've been doing it for years -- there are fewer
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#241
THere have been many such posts the past few weeks, "Obamacare helps ME, so..."
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#82
Actually, ACA does NOT benefit ME at all now, and NEVER will. It ain't about me.
freshwest
Jun 2012
#94
BS. You have NO IDEA if I will benefit, as it's impossible for you to know. What nonsense.
freshwest
Jun 2012
#185
WRONG!! You are the one saying you will never benefit. I'm saying you have no idea.
Dawgs
Jun 2012
#186
I think all of us know personally someone who has or will benefit from this.
AngryOldDem
Jun 2012
#107
K&R. They will take their mandated trillions and crush every reform in the bill
grahamhgreen
Jun 2012
#12
Got that right... Why else would they scream so much? The ACA has provisions to hire the people who
freshwest
Jun 2012
#105
More like refuses to get it. I'm done arguing with the snarks and RW talking points.
freshwest
Jun 2012
#187
Yes, it is strange. Any good news for any Democrat and it's a war zone here.
freshwest
Jun 2012
#239
Hum, some aspirin and re-cutting the stems might help. Enjoy her birthday when she gets off!
freshwest
Jun 2012
#246
I disagree with you, MadHound - The penalty, er, tax for not buying insurance is so low...
slackmaster
Jun 2012
#14
You seem to think the tax get something akin to insurance or healthcare, it doesn't, so how does
Lionessa
Jun 2012
#184
Since when has adapting Republican policy ever been a step in the right direction?
MadHound
Jun 2012
#61
for many here, if anything Obama promotes wins.. it's the end of life as we know it.
dionysus
Jun 2012
#278
I can't count the number of times I've heard a conservative make that argument.
Codeine
Jun 2012
#298
No, it is forcing millions to purchase a product that they may or may not need,
MadHound
Jun 2012
#74
how will they be worse off? they don't have to pay for the care of anyone who doesn't buy their
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#251
i imagine that a lot of the scofflaws will be on the lower end of the income spectrum & thus more
HiPointDem
Jun 2012
#256
Where to begin? For one thing, it's not a "mandated monopoly" unless there is only one
Nye Bevan
Jun 2012
#75
The Heritage foundation version did not include regulation and price controls.
Odin2005
Jun 2012
#150
We currently have the most expensive but far from the best healthcare program in the world ...
spin
Jun 2012
#100
I disagree, my beautiful daughter disagrees, my beloved ex disagrees, all of us positively affected
DainBramaged
Jun 2012
#124
The Health Insurance Industry wins big either way. At least with this ruling more people will have
gateley
Jun 2012
#179
What I mean is that if the 20% doubles with higher prices, their profits double...
kentuck
Jun 2012
#207
I agree on all counts, but pointing out the right wing victory here is frowned upon /nt
Dragonfli
Jun 2012
#229
Ego-inflated theatrics, it appears that the DU possibly is not healthy for some people.Ask yourself,
patrice
Jun 2012
#230
No, just tired of wasting my time with close-minded demigogs. I have never seen
patrice
Jun 2012
#287
In short, who died and made you god? The inability to admit you're only talking about PROBABILITIY
patrice
Jun 2012
#290
You have no authority to speak for the people, only yourself. And YOU are wrong.
FarLeftFist
Jun 2012
#238
Oh enough already. We don't need the left's version of the Tea Party around here.
RBInMaine
Jun 2012
#240
Single payer will follow, baby steps, unless that certain someone is on the payroll
DainBramaged
Jun 2012
#258
Gee, you seem to know a lot about me for somebody who's only been around since Dec.
MadHound
Jun 2012
#309
No, after this decision, there will be little pressure on the insurance companies
EFerrari
Jun 2012
#292
"we"? Is that you and the horse you rode in on? Who gave you authority to define "we"? nt
patrice
Jun 2012
#291
Then why did big insurance companies' stocks go down after the ruling in favor of mandate?
jenmito
Jun 2012
#308
So, in two, three years, when your insurance premiums are shooting through the roof
MadHound
Jun 2012
#332