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bravenak

(34,648 posts) Sat Feb 25, 2017, 11:19 PM Feb 2017

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If you wanna play at coaching a team, you probably should wear the uniform [View all]

If you are so great at something that you wanna tell everyone else how to play and what to do and what they are doing wrong, then you should probably join the team if you want to be heard.

You cannot coach the Lakers while wearing a Celtics uniform; you cannot decide what Democrats should do unless you put some skin in the game and put the damn uniform on.

I am no longer interested in hearing criticism from and watching independents lob bombs from the sidelines, while I have to just smile and nod. If you care about democratic principles at the hell all, then be a DEMOCRAT. No pissing in the tent from outside, come inside and piss out onto Republicans.

It would be wonderful if those who swear they care about the people being oppressed by Republicans would actually FIGHT THE REPUBLICANS, instead of lobbing bombs at Democrats.

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If you wanna play at coaching a team, you probably should wear the uniform [View all] bravenak Feb 2017 OP

And that includes Sanders. brush Feb 2017 #1

It does. bravenak Feb 2017 #3

ESPECIALLY Sanders NastyRiffraff Feb 2017 #52

+1000 stonecutter357 Feb 2017 #101

I agree but I don't expect it to happen. leftofcool Feb 2017 #2

That enrages me, because I agree with you bravenak Feb 2017 #5

What explains the seeming lack of enthusiasm among non-voters guillaumeb Feb 2017 #6

I don't really care. leftofcool Feb 2017 #15

But we will all suffer for that lack of enthusiasm. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #121

That "lack of enthusiasm" is an urban legend. Its simply not true. George II Feb 2017 #50

Turnout in 2010 and 2014 was far lower than in 2008 and 2012. eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #122

Historically turnout always is lower for mid-term elections, has been that way for decades. George II Feb 2017 #124

I think because Trump is still Trump that we can win... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #24

Don't Count Tom Out Me. Feb 2017 #34

So if a Democratic Senator votes for some Trump Cabinet nominees, guillaumeb Feb 2017 #4

No. That Senator is probably in a red state bravenak Feb 2017 #7

Can I assume that you are in a red state? eom guillaumeb Feb 2017 #8

You damn straight. bravenak Feb 2017 #9

I would say 52 fewer McConnells. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #10

If we had that Manchin could be as liberal as he pleased bravenak Feb 2017 #12

Agreed. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #14

Why do you think... tonedevil Feb 2017 #174

Because he lives in WV bravenak Feb 2017 #176

It's possible... tonedevil Feb 2017 #177

I Seldom Find Myself Disagreeing with you Me. Feb 2017 #40

We had Sarah Palin bravenak Feb 2017 #41

The Manchin/Heitkamp Vote For Pruitt Me. Feb 2017 #42

I know. Shit sucks bravenak Feb 2017 #43

That sucks Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #81

It's horrible bravenak Feb 2017 #82

If the cabinet members will get in anyway...and the Senator is from a red Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #21

You're right, they need to put their constituents ahead of the party... Blanks Feb 2017 #131

If a democratic (not Democratic) senator doesn't show up to support a Democratic senator... George II Feb 2017 #55

It depends upon the nominee, and it depends on the Democratic Party stance. DeVos, e.g.? BAD. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #137

Agree sarah FAILIN Feb 2017 #11

It pisses me off that they see us as worse than Trump for some reason bravenak Feb 2017 #13

I use to go on a Bernie fb page sarah FAILIN Feb 2017 #16

I had that experience. I was a supporter of his at first bravenak Feb 2017 #17

He sold those ideas, Jakes Progress Feb 2017 #66

Yep. I'm to his left which is why I knew Trump was the real threat bravenak Feb 2017 #76

I agree completely...join us or button the lip. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #18

Please bravenak Feb 2017 #28

How about the independents invited on to the Democratic Leadership Team? aikoaiko Feb 2017 #19

What about them? They don't get to tell me what to do or control my party bravenak Feb 2017 #20

That's their job - to tell people what to do. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #25

They are there to Consult. Not control. bravenak Feb 2017 #26

Sometimes they are when they are invited by leadership to do so aikoaiko Feb 2017 #63

They would lose me and many others if they let bravenak Feb 2017 #67

+1 JustAnotherGen Feb 2017 #69

Its hard to believe you would leave if people like Bernie had more control. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #95

Bernie is all that kept you in the party??? Wow! boston bean Feb 2017 #29

Not only that, but Bernie also brought a lot of new, energized people into the party. progressoid Feb 2017 #99

Are you aikoaiko? boston bean Feb 2017 #100

I don't think so. progressoid Feb 2017 #102

He lost. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #139

And? progressoid Feb 2017 #149

So we should leave the focus off of them and find a way to come together. bravenak Feb 2017 #159

And you think this thread takes the focus off of them and brings us together? progressoid Feb 2017 #178

Absolutely. It's gret advice and much kinder than his criticisms. bravenak Feb 2017 #179

No it is not. leftofcool Feb 2017 #33

Sorry...I would not have put any independent in leadership. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #22

No doubt, but it was a brilliant move that kept people like me in the party. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #30

The jury is still out on whether it was a smart or dumb move. stevenleser Feb 2017 #54

Right, because the status quo Democrats have no part in working things out aikoaiko Feb 2017 #59

We don't, it's not up to the rest of us whatever label you use. We're not the tantrum throwers. nt stevenleser Feb 2017 #62

Maybe not, but we lost in our fractured state aikoaiko Feb 2017 #64

I don't agree that we lost. We won on two fronts. stevenleser Feb 2017 #105

Ok sure aikoaiko Feb 2017 #106

Jesus christ.. Kentonio Feb 2017 #118

My view of the world and history is much longer than most people's. I warned many of my stevenleser Feb 2017 #123

No, you're not a special cupcake who sees the big picture no-one else does. Kentonio Feb 2017 #125

Compared to you, yes I am. Although admittedly that bar is low. nt stevenleser Feb 2017 #126

Ah, theres the deep level of intellectual argument we've come to know and love.. Kentonio Feb 2017 #127

Agreed. bravenak Feb 2017 #132

Co-optation.Shumer's attempt to keep Bernie from bashing Democrats. delisen Feb 2017 #61

The result has been deeper divisions BainsBane Feb 2017 #70

How did the contest for DNC chair do Ellison a disservice? aikoaiko Feb 2017 #112

We're back to my being "the establishment" BainsBane Feb 2017 #116

My support for Ellison really comes down to him him winning elections in the Midwest. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #128

You don't think that might not have been an issue BainsBane Feb 2017 #136

Actually O'Malley endorsed Buttigeig. BainsBane Feb 2017 #145

Of course I was referring to MOM giving him his politics start in MD aikoaiko Feb 2017 #147

I think we already have...yesterday with perez's election as DNC chair. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #108

I'll give him a chance. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #110

I have no issue with talking with them/discussing ideas. sheshe2 Feb 2017 #35

Amen! brer cat Feb 2017 #53

Thank You brer! sheshe2 Feb 2017 #65

I'm happy with it. And I'm a Democrat, too. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #111

Please.. Kentonio Feb 2017 #119

We've Heard It All Before - Memorized otohara Feb 2017 #142

Yes. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #146

The Effect Was otohara Feb 2017 #150

If that's true then Obama should have listened to Bernie more aikoaiko Feb 2017 #151

He Had Lots of Alt-Left Help otohara Feb 2017 #175

I agree Progressive dog Feb 2017 #23

I think it helps republicans way too much bravenak Feb 2017 #27

Yes, it was. leftofcool Feb 2017 #36

Oh gawd are we still bashing Bernie? left-of-center2012 Feb 2017 #31

Us bashing Bernie? Naw, we are the RECIEVERS of such bashings. bravenak Feb 2017 #32

He started it! 😄 nolabear Feb 2017 #37

I would seriouslu stfu if he did and get to work bravenak Feb 2017 #38

Sorry, it's the other way around. Did you see his statement about Perez today after the vote? George II Feb 2017 #57

Yes, did you read the entire thing? radical noodle Feb 2017 #87

Bernie is bashing democrats. brer cat Feb 2017 #58

Exactly.. Cha Feb 2017 #92

They'll be doing it to the grave. It's how some deal with the loss. TransitJohn Feb 2017 #86

No one is "bashing".. just responding to his tweet lecturing the Winner Cha Feb 2017 #91

Did you capitalize 'winner' for a reason? Kentonio Feb 2017 #120

Look, you backed a non-Democrat. There was zero way a non-Democrat was getting our nomination. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #140

The guy voted Dem 95% of the time. He's more of a Dem than most of the people claiming that title. Kentonio Feb 2017 #143

K & f'ing R! mcar Feb 2017 #39

Awesome Analogy, brave! Actually the one Cha Feb 2017 #44

He sure could use a few of my awesome lectures! bravenak Feb 2017 #45

Bette says ... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #46

I love your gifs! bravenak Feb 2017 #47

My analogy for the last few months is that the Commissioner of the NFL.... George II Feb 2017 #48

Perfect!!! bravenak Feb 2017 #49

Back to the primaries? MelissaB Feb 2017 #51

Never left. n/t QC Feb 2017 #68

It would be nice to fight Republicans instead of fending off bombs from the left bravenak Feb 2017 #75

It certainly would! MelissaB Feb 2017 #94

That would be a good question for BS Cha Feb 2017 #84

We need a new party rule Cryptoad Feb 2017 #56

Let's be purists all the way. You can't vote for a Democrat unless you ARE one. Nt lostnfound Feb 2017 #72

K&R brer cat Feb 2017 #60

Damn right. I'm so goddamned sick and tired of Bernie-bots pissing on Hillary. Aristus Feb 2017 #71

Me too bravenak Feb 2017 #77

Couldn't agree more lillypaddle Feb 2017 #73

FFS. Gore1FL Feb 2017 #74

+1 Phoenix61 Feb 2017 #78

+ eleventy billion Lucinda Feb 2017 #79

Thank you! SunSeeker Feb 2017 #80

Republicans will rule us forever if we listen to Bravenak. doxyluv13 Feb 2017 #83

Wrong! Thanks for playing, though. bravenak Feb 2017 #85

lol ...+++ JHan Feb 2017 #93

Right... Gore1FL Feb 2017 #88

We don't do that by trying to be right lite socially and promise bullshit economically uponit7771 Feb 2017 #169

You are advocating conformity not unity Larkspur Feb 2017 #89

We are a big tent and can deal with many types. From INSIDE the tent bravenak Feb 2017 #90

Better than anarchy... Anyone's rules goes all the time isnt organized uponit7771 Feb 2017 #96

No, he's not dictating uniformity... Bernie's no longer a Dem and barely ever was one Fast Walker 52 Feb 2017 #98

K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2017 #97

K&R Gothmog Feb 2017 #103

So well said... BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2017 #104

Wish I had known you were going to start this thread csziggy Feb 2017 #107

That is a really good post, better than my op bravenak Feb 2017 #109

Thank you - that means a lot to me csziggy Feb 2017 #113

Well, thank you. I cannot wait until this primary ends and we can move on to the GE! bravenak Feb 2017 #114

LOL! csziggy Feb 2017 #115

That's for me too bravenak Feb 2017 #117

And I'm wondering how much of ths is sowing fractious dissent Fla Dem Feb 2017 #129

Exactly. bravenak Feb 2017 #130

90 recs for this garbage. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #133

It's great! bravenak Feb 2017 #134

I'm sure it is. nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #135

And yet you don't elaborate to what you did not like about it zz-la Feb 2017 #141

I'm not sure why Independents are posting here. If "I" means "Sometimes 'R'," WTH? If not, then why WinkyDink Feb 2017 #138

Makes no sense to me either bravenak Feb 2017 #148

Amen butdiduvote Feb 2017 #144

You go that right, lol! bravenak Feb 2017 #154

If you're gonna play in Texas, you gotta have a fiddle in the band. Rex Feb 2017 #152

IS that a song?! bravenak Feb 2017 #153

Yes! Rex Feb 2017 #155

I'm gonna look it up. I love fucking Americana type shit bravenak Feb 2017 #156

That is it spot on. Rex Feb 2017 #157

We should, lol, then we could understand each other. Maybe... Ok, probably not. :) bravenak Feb 2017 #158

Americana - slang - a lot of different langugages formed into the Rex Feb 2017 #160

That's why we are exceptional. bravenak Feb 2017 #162

Agree 100%. Rex Feb 2017 #164

Absolutely, Brother! bravenak Feb 2017 #166

Can't be empathetic to someone that shuts down and hides away behind locked doors. Throws away the Rex Feb 2017 #167

LOL!! No, not the tax man and us darkies, Lord!! You have a great one too! bravenak Feb 2017 #168

Glad to rec this to 100. (nt) betsuni Feb 2017 #161

Thank you!! Hey!!! bravenak Feb 2017 #163

Thanks! betsuni Feb 2017 #170

Damn!! bravenak Feb 2017 #171

I could not do it if it was someone I really loved, like the husband. betsuni Feb 2017 #172

Me too. I'd ship his body back home and bury it or cremate it like 'normal' bravenak Feb 2017 #173

K&R Gothmog Feb 2017 #165