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41. The key lesson is the long declining support for the party long before Bernie ran.

Sun Feb 26, 2017, 09:53 AM

Feb 2017

His campaign was a reaction to the direction of the party, not some radical new direction of its own.

If the lesson you take from Bernies campaign is just 'he lost so he doesn't matter' then you're missing the elephant in the room.

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Why is the attitude towards Bernie, 'stay out of the way if you're not going to join the party',.. [View all] StubbornThings Feb 2017 OP

Meh BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #1

Don't agree or don't care? StubbornThings Feb 2017 #2

Bored with the whining BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #3

I think you're responding to the wrong OP then. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #9

Nah, you're trying to keep 2016 alive BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #13

Not even close. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #28

You have a very interesting way of looking forward BannonsLiver Feb 2017 #31

+1,000 butdiduvote Feb 2017 #116

Ask him why he won't become a Democratic Party member? boston bean Feb 2017 #4

Why does it matter? Aren't we all trying to accomplish the same things? StubbornThings Feb 2017 #11

it matters. it matters to us who are members. It matters that we have someone boston bean Feb 2017 #15

Does winning matter to you? StubbornThings Feb 2017 #30

If you honestly believe that nini Feb 2017 #59

It matters to *some* members of the party. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #49

And we remember why he "ran as a Democrat". NanceGreggs Feb 2017 #139

100% agree, what sort of message does that send to OnDoutside Feb 2017 #54

You don't get it. If Party membership doesn't "matter," then WHY NOT JOIN?? WinkyDink Feb 2017 #63

Especially when there is an upside to joining and no downside. randome Feb 2017 #67

Bernie is an independent...I wish he would become a Democrt. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #5

Why? He wants the same things as you or I. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #14

I'm registered a democrat. So, Bernie and I are not the same. boston bean Feb 2017 #20

Again. What is your goal? StubbornThings Feb 2017 #32

pretty much spelled out in the party I belong to. boston bean Feb 2017 #33

We lost with Sanders' 'help' so you are proving the exact opposite of the point you want to make. randome Feb 2017 #35

It would send a message and help with unity. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #51

Did you notice Bernie lost the nomination? WinkyDink Feb 2017 #65

Because he keeps trash-talking the Democratic Party. randome Feb 2017 #6

45% of the voters in the primary is A LOT more than a "handful of our own" StubbornThings Feb 2017 #18

"Whatever it takes" does not mean listening to someone that Congress does not support. randome Feb 2017 #25

What a total crock Kentonio Feb 2017 #34

And we lost with Sanders' help so what does the evidence tell you about his effectiveness? randome Feb 2017 #37

The key lesson is the long declining support for the party long before Bernie ran. Kentonio Feb 2017 #41

You are only seeing the elephant because Sanders has hypnotized you. randome Feb 2017 #44

Ageism AND a total disregard for the opinions of 45% of our voters Kentonio Feb 2017 #47

Yep. Amazing, isn't it. nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #124

We also lost... Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #112

I care what the voters think. Not Congress. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #36

Someone who is not supported by Congress has little influence. randome Feb 2017 #38

Someone who 45% of our voters feel represent their opinion Kentonio Feb 2017 #45

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I don't think Berniecrats are the ones blinded by hero worship. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #71

Yup. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #69

He needs to stick to what he does best: preserving his comfortable position as armchair quarterback. randome Feb 2017 #43

I think that number is exagerrated. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #52

He won 22 of the 50+ state primaries. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #125

Not following your first paragraph. vdogg Feb 2017 #7

Because it's like not joining your union Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #8

good analogy. boston bean Feb 2017 #12

Kind of like whining about Bernie constantly. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #21

No, it's pointing out the guy whining is all talk Starry Messenger Feb 2017 #27

Bernie lost. How will that be "winning again"? WinkyDink Feb 2017 #68

Why doesn't Bernie join the party? DanTex Feb 2017 #10

Why does it matter what jersey he wears. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #39

In some ways it doesn't, in other ways it does. DanTex Feb 2017 #66

Then let him wear OURS. SEE HOW THAT ARGUMENT WORKS? WinkyDink Feb 2017 #70

No. That's a terrible argument for me. I don't care what label you or anyone wears. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #95

Is this opposite day? DURHAM D Feb 2017 #16

Funny. I crafted the same comment while you were posting yours Kolesar Feb 2017 #22

Thanks. Fixed it. nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #26

...people that wanted Perez as the head of the DNC really have no interest in the Democratic party. Kolesar Feb 2017 #17

Those Independents want to start beating Republicans. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #24

The Democratic Party is the only way to beat Republicans... Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #53

It's only an observation and speculation Ligyron Feb 2017 #79

Supporters of Perez were traditional Democratic Party types Kolesar Feb 2017 #122

I don't have that opinion at all, I think a lot of people don't. We are all fighting for the same NotThisTime Feb 2017 #19

Exactly. That's might whole point. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #23

. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2017 #29

Like losing or don't care? nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #40

I don't like looking back and refighting old wars. For me it is about democratic principles - NRaleighLiberal Feb 2017 #42

Because many here on DU still blame Bernie for Hillary not becoming president! Chasstev365 Feb 2017 #46

Hey I admit it...I think the divisive primary cost Hillary the election with a little help from Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #55

I agree 100 %! Chasstev365 Feb 2017 #85

I agree...time to move into the future...not live in the past. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #92

That's exactly what my OP is doing...looking at the future? nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #96

Also.. Else You Are Mad Feb 2017 #114

I agree butdiduvote Feb 2017 #121

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You blame the guy who was out of the picture after the convention for her losing to a baffoon. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #134

Hahah. Out of the picture. butdiduvote Feb 2017 #135

Yes indeed Lotusflower70 Feb 2017 #129

Assuming that this observation of yours is accurate... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #48

Great post Nurse...right on the money. Demsrule86 Feb 2017 #58

They are not looking for perfection. They just want someone that represents them to win. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #97

Well... NurseJackie Feb 2017 #111

Nothing will please the hardcore bernie bros nini Feb 2017 #56

My post was not really about Bernie. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #98

Then perhaps you shouldn't have slipped his name in there nini Feb 2017 #104

It's time to put hurt feelings aside and unite to oust Trump and his gang. Vinca Feb 2017 #57

Both sides need to get on board. Not just one. nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #99

You know why. And this is not helpful. They're never going to get over it. So just leave it alone. Iggo Feb 2017 #60

Exactly, just freaking stop. It is over, work on getting the people you can, it is that simple. NotThisTime Feb 2017 #94

What are you talking about. Get over what? nt StubbornThings Feb 2017 #100

"They have moved on from the two-party system...." AKA, losers. WinkyDink Feb 2017 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author StubbornThings Feb 2017 #101

He lost me at Tad Devine. JTFrog Feb 2017 #62

Gag order. democratisphere Feb 2017 #64

Divide, divide, divide.... FSogol Feb 2017 #72

Word. Iggo Feb 2017 #73

Please explain. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #102

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Feb 2017 #74

Have you joined the Democratic Party? QC Feb 2017 #75

Unlike Bernie, he probably would if he could. nt JTFrog Feb 2017 #77

I've been around since 2004. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #103

Yeah, that was obvious...nt SidDithers Feb 2017 #137

thats how republicans trained* some people to think to divide the D party. Sunlei Feb 2017 #76

But he did hurt the actual election. That's what spoilers do. JTFrog Feb 2017 #78

no he didn't, he helped Hillary. Sunlei Feb 2017 #81

LOL! JTFrog Feb 2017 #83

that's bagger speak, he never said that. Sunlei Feb 2017 #84

No that was BoB speak. JTFrog Feb 2017 #86

trump did say he wanted to get rid of the uber-wealthy-donors, (drain the swamp) but that was a big Sunlei Feb 2017 #88

Agree wholeheartedly Frog Cha Feb 2017 #87

Oh for cryin' out loud!!!!!!!!!!!! leftofcool Feb 2017 #80

What part of it is wrong. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #105

Ask yourself this? Why don't we hear Elizabeth Warren spouting the crap Sanders does? nini Feb 2017 #82

My post isn't really about Sanders, but maybe you didn't read the whole thing. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #106

But it is nini Feb 2017 #115

Ok. But 45% of the primary voter wants the party to go in a different direction. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #126

You don't know what 45% wanted. Many of them happily voted for Hillary bravenak Feb 2017 #138

If Bernie wants to change the Democratic Party he needs to join it for longer than a campaign csziggy Feb 2017 #89

Again, my post isn't really about Sanders. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #107

Sanders could use his influence to ask his followers to work with the Democratic Party csziggy Feb 2017 #110

First of all, Bernie's supporters don't worship him. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #127

What I have seen is that they are tearing into the Democratic Party more than Trump csziggy Feb 2017 #136

Democrats LOVED Joe Lieberman, though he ditched the party when he could. alarimer Feb 2017 #90

That is NOT what the election of Perez meant. pnwmom Feb 2017 #91

Beyonce knows why... LuvLoogie Feb 2017 #93

He stokes a divisive media/Republican narrative. lapucelle Feb 2017 #108

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I was gonna say because we're feeling the burn ucrdem Feb 2017 #118

Idk. My attitude toward Bernie is "Stay out of the way unless you're gonna help the party." butdiduvote Feb 2017 #113

Again, the "Deputy Chair" Position Does Not Exist....It Never Did....Ever.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2017 #117

Unless and until he address voting rights and election integrity head-on ucrdem Feb 2017 #119

Bernies about Bernie. nt LexVegas Feb 2017 #120

Independents muddy the water MyNameGoesHere Feb 2017 #123

Because you are hearing a minority voice's opinion on Bernie. Rex Feb 2017 #130

I hear ya. StubbornThings Feb 2017 #132

I voted for HRC, but this place was huge for Bernie. Rex Feb 2017 #133

He wants to have his cake and eat it too... Adrahil Feb 2017 #140