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vi5

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20. Again....I get all of that....
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 10:19 AM
Feb 2017

.....I get that we need to have Dems from red states. I get that we need to allow dissent and compromise. Our problems are just more complex than an either/or, black and white situation like this poll choice describes.

Yes we need red state dems and allow them to vote their conscience.

No we don't need to give them outsized power over legislation.

Yes, we need to be better than Republicans. No we don't need to always cede the narrative and assumptions to them like we always do.

What we need is for Democrats to fight harder and for them to be better salespersons. THAT is our biggest failure. We've been too content to sit back and go "Well thats Republicans fighting dirty. We need to be better than that and the voters will reward us." I think it's obvious at this point that is not the case. If gerrymandering in states with Republican control is screwing us, then we should be doin the same in blue states, not simply sitting back and whining about it and going "Oh well. Gerrymandering. Nothing we can do about it."

If presenting something as a black and white issue is going to be a hard sell for people with constituents in more conservative districts then those politicians need to get out there and sell better. And if they need the tools to do so then we should have a party infrastructure that gives that to them and gives them the support they need.

And we should also not be confusing "voting in their constituents best interest" with "voting in their donors best interest" which is another thing we too frequently do.

Having this be some overly simplistic choice between "purity" and "reality" is just as childish and naive as you are accussing one side of being. Many of us are fine with a "big tent" and understand it's necessity, but also don't want us just falling back on that as an excuse for failure or inaction as we too often have within the Democratic party.

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There's more to it than that.... vi5 Feb 2017 #1
Well... that is what you are going to get. You can't change that. You will have a majority for 2-4 boston bean Feb 2017 #3
So there are no blue state Republicans? vi5 Feb 2017 #4
Susan Collins and there are others who do not vote lockstep. boston bean Feb 2017 #6
Collins and Snow are the only ones I can think of... vi5 Feb 2017 #9
many times. I think you just aren't paying attention. boston bean Feb 2017 #12
Again....I get all of that.... vi5 Feb 2017 #20
That message doesn't work in red states. You may want to believe it with all your might, but it boston bean Feb 2017 #22
It appears to me that you are the one brer cat Feb 2017 #29
Snow retired a few years ago....nt 2naSalit Feb 2017 #34
Poliics is constant compromise. Even when we are abolutely, positively correct in what we believe... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #2
"Now that their right wing has taken over there are fewer moderates with a voice" vi5 Feb 2017 #5
Gerrymandering plays into this. boston bean Feb 2017 #7
Fine, if it's not "give them more" then I'm o.k. with it... vi5 Feb 2017 #11
As I said, party discipline is important, but... TreasonousBastard Feb 2017 #25
I see this shit about Joe Minchin and how he should be stripped of his leadership seat. Stinky The Clown Feb 2017 #8
It is the Manchin thing.. I do not like that man.. however, primary him.. oust him... NOPE! boston bean Feb 2017 #15
You're Cha Feb 2017 #10
Hi Cha!!!!!!! boston bean Feb 2017 #13
Hey Cha Feb 2017 #19
A look at the 1948 election map might offer some perspective on what is... NNadir Feb 2017 #14
I want politicians who represent their constituents and caucus with us. X_Digger Feb 2017 #16
I think Texas is ripe for the picking Horse with no Name Feb 2017 #26
I always vote for most electable liberal in the primary. aikoaiko Feb 2017 #17
That is what a party does. If they chose people you want, there would be others who aren't happy. boston bean Feb 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author aikoaiko Feb 2017 #21
I wasn't clear, I meant to write local party leaders decide aikoaiko Feb 2017 #23
letting them run un-opposed needs to stop. mopinko Feb 2017 #28
This is the rare binary choice that reflects reality. KittyWampus Feb 2017 #24
I want fewer batty polls. nt procon Feb 2017 #27
I reject the premise that those are the only options TDale313 Feb 2017 #30
Reality doesn't care what you reject. nt stevenleser Feb 2017 #32
I agree with your perspective... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #33
Yeah, but otherwise.... vi5 Feb 2017 #35
Perez did a great job at the DOJ and the voting rights section Gothmog Feb 2017 #31
You identify a paradigm quaker bill Feb 2017 #36
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