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girl gone mad

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50. Sorry, but fraud is still illegal.
Thu Dec 29, 2011, 08:11 PM
Dec 2011

Read it and weep for the lost opportunities:

http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/12/president-obamas-view-of-fraud-from.html

ETA excerpt:

But the President asserts: “I can tell you, just from 40,000 feet, that some of the most damaging behavior on Wall Street, in some cases, some of the least ethical behavior on Wall Street, wasn't illegal.” Kroft, sadly, did not follow up on this incredible and, if true, extraordinarily important assertion. Obama’s statements about fraud and ethics are inaccurate on multiple levels.
Obama’s factual assertions about the failure to prosecute fraud are unresponsive to the question, false, and logically inconsistent. Note the artful manner in which Obama evaded answering Kroft’s question. Kroft asks why there are no prosecutions of the Wall Street frauds that drove the crisis. Obama answers that “some” unethical Wall Street actions were not illegal. Obama’s answer implicitly admitted that most Wall Street actions that caused the crisis were criminal. He simply argues that some highly unethical behavior by Wall Street that was not illegal contributed to that crisis. As David Cay Johnston emphasized in his column about Obama’s response to Kroft’s question, Obama’s answer is a non-answer. Why has he failed to prosecute any of the criminal conduct by Wall Street that drove the financial crisis? The (alleged) fact that “some” destructive Wall Street conduct was highly unethical, but not illegal, obviously provides no basis for not prosecuting what Obama concedes was primarily criminal conduct.

Obama claims that the purported legality of Wall Street’s (unspecified) “least ethical behavior” is “exactly why we had to change the laws.” He then describes the two specific changes in the Dodd-Frank law that he asserts make illegal that “least ethical behavior” for the first time. Obama claims that Dodd-Frank makes it illegal to “take wild risks with other people’s money” and for bankers to “expect a taxpayer bailout.” Obama is a lawyer and former law professor, so these are matters as to which he is capable of precision. Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal for bankers to take “wild risks.” Banks inherently take risks “with other people’s money” so that bit of rhetoric is superfluous.

Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal for a banker to “expect a taxpayer bailout.” Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal (and could not constitutionally do so) for bankers to lobby for a bailout. We have all seen the success of such lobbying with the Bush and Obama administrations. Both administrations have refused to order an end to the “systemically dangerous institutions” (SDIs) (inaccurately referred to as “too big to fail”). Both administrations asserted that when the next SDI failed it was likely to cause a global systemic crisis. (It is a matter of “when”, not “if” they will fail, or more precisely, when we will admit that they failed.)

(snip)

What Obama missed, and Kroft failed to call him on, is that “wild risk” by banks are typically frauds. I have explained these matters at length in previous posts, so I will provide the ultra short version here. Honest home lenders do not make liar’s loans. In particular, honest lenders do not make subprime liar’s loans. Honest home lenders do not make such loans because they create intense “adverse selection” and create a “negative expected value” (in plain English, they will lose money). No government (here or abroad), required any lender or other entity (i.e., Fannie and Freddie) to make or acquire liar’s loans. In fact, the government repeatedly criticized liar’s loans. The FBI warned of an “epidemic” of mortgage fraud in September 2004. The mortgage lending industry’s own anti-fraud body (MARI) warned every member of the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) in writing in the 2006 that “stated income” loans were “an open invitation to fraudsters,” had a fraud incidence of 90 percent, and deserved the term the industry used behind closed doors to describe them – “liar’s” loans. Despite these warnings, lenders massively increased the number of liar’s loans they made. [/div[\]

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I ProSense Dec 2011 #1
The "massive re-regulation" is ignored because it's mainly in your fantasy. JackRiddler Dec 2011 #3
Sure ProSense Dec 2011 #5
There's a difference between regulations and criminal law MFrohike Dec 2011 #49
pffffttttt.... SidDithers Dec 2011 #2
here we go again. la-dee-da. Whisp Dec 2011 #4
Maybe if the bankers would become whistleblowers, the Justice Dept would go after them. Karmadillo Dec 2011 #6
Or ProSense Dec 2011 #7
Or Karmadillo Dec 2011 #10
Or ProSense Dec 2011 #12
Or Karmadillo Dec 2011 #15
What ProSense Dec 2011 #19
What Karmadillo Dec 2011 #21
. ProSense Dec 2011 #28
. Karmadillo Dec 2011 #29
. ProSense Dec 2011 #30
Stop! Rex Dec 2011 #42
Or if they smoke a doobie. SfromCanada Dec 2011 #58
Obama. Baaaad!!11 tridim Dec 2011 #8
HA!!!! Rex Dec 2011 #43
Oustanding!!!! JoePhilly Dec 2011 #59
Why han't the Republican majority in the House dealt with this? Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #9
I acknowledge your persistent and unending personal attacks on DU'ers with a nice big ignore! Better Believe It Dec 2011 #11
Good one...see yeah! Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #14
"your tireless efforts to undermine Obama's re-election on this board. " girl gone mad Dec 2011 #16
No problem. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #20
Oh the drama!!11! girl gone mad Dec 2011 #23
The "smartest guy on the hill" sounds like an asshat bhikkhu Dec 2011 #13
A good place to start would have been reinstating Glass-Steagall dflprincess Dec 2011 #17
The Dodd-Frank Bill is stronger in many ways than Glass-Steagall bhikkhu Dec 2011 #22
Dodd-Frank does not separate investment from commercial banking as Glass-Steagall did dflprincess Dec 2011 #26
oh bullshit - Dodd Frank is much stronger - it handles banned from Kos Dec 2011 #27
The article I linked to & quoted was not written by Matt Taibbi dflprincess Dec 2011 #31
What do you think of the Volker Rule in that context? bhikkhu Dec 2011 #36
Interesting dflprincess Dec 2011 #37
LMFAO.. yeah D/F would be much stronger SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #32
Thanks for the article - I hadn't seen that bhikkhu Dec 2011 #34
Your wikipedia link isn't working. And please read "Blowing a Hole in Dodd-Frank" Better Believe It Dec 2011 #18
...and a newer article about how that ended up working out: bhikkhu Dec 2011 #24
Matt Taibbi - Jackass, Tampon, and Mental Midget - but Rolling Stone pays him banned from Kos Dec 2011 #25
And you have no facts to refute him so SomethingFishy Dec 2011 #33
That's obviously his best and only shot! Better Believe It Dec 2011 #35
He had no facts to refute treestar Dec 2011 #46
LOL - not all of us here are above the age of 21, lol. closeupready Dec 2011 #48
That is pathetic. hifiguy Dec 2011 #60
"no prosecutions"... boppers Dec 2011 #38
The Wall Street bankstars are whining everyday about all their pals who are going to prison. Better Believe It Dec 2011 #39
Goalposts: boppers Dec 2011 #52
Prosecutions of Wall Street financial crimes are at hifiguy Dec 2011 #61
And goal posts again: "a much lower level" boppers Dec 2011 #63
+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2011 #44
du rec. nt xchrom Dec 2011 #40
Kick Better Believe It Dec 2011 #41
If something is not illegal, it can't be prosecuted treestar Dec 2011 #45
Sorry, but fraud is still illegal. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #50
Fraud is illegal, but requires proof treestar Dec 2011 #55
Just keep shifting the goal posts. girl gone mad Dec 2011 #62
Yes, because if there is no deterrent to stealing big money, closeupready Dec 2011 #47
Obviously true. Quantess Dec 2011 #51
I don't remember Obama using the phrase "not illegal", which is cited as a direct quote in the OP. Nye Bevan Dec 2011 #53
Here you go . . . gratuitous Dec 2011 #54
Do you normally remember every word or phrase President Obama utters? Better Believe It Dec 2011 #57
Recommended Autumn Dec 2011 #56
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