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In reply to the discussion: Wall Street Crimes: President Obama is "effectively encouraging future financial fraud" [View all]girl gone mad
(20,634 posts)50. Sorry, but fraud is still illegal.
Read it and weep for the lost opportunities:
http://neweconomicperspectives.blogspot.com/2011/12/president-obamas-view-of-fraud-from.html
ETA excerpt:
But the President asserts: I can tell you, just from 40,000 feet, that some of the most damaging behavior on Wall Street, in some cases, some of the least ethical behavior on Wall Street, wasn't illegal. Kroft, sadly, did not follow up on this incredible and, if true, extraordinarily important assertion. Obamas statements about fraud and ethics are inaccurate on multiple levels.
Obamas factual assertions about the failure to prosecute fraud are unresponsive to the question, false, and logically inconsistent. Note the artful manner in which Obama evaded answering Krofts question. Kroft asks why there are no prosecutions of the Wall Street frauds that drove the crisis. Obama answers that some unethical Wall Street actions were not illegal. Obamas answer implicitly admitted that most Wall Street actions that caused the crisis were criminal. He simply argues that some highly unethical behavior by Wall Street that was not illegal contributed to that crisis. As David Cay Johnston emphasized in his column about Obamas response to Krofts question, Obamas answer is a non-answer. Why has he failed to prosecute any of the criminal conduct by Wall Street that drove the financial crisis? The (alleged) fact that some destructive Wall Street conduct was highly unethical, but not illegal, obviously provides no basis for not prosecuting what Obama concedes was primarily criminal conduct.
Obama claims that the purported legality of Wall Streets (unspecified) least ethical behavior is exactly why we had to change the laws. He then describes the two specific changes in the Dodd-Frank law that he asserts make illegal that least ethical behavior for the first time. Obama claims that Dodd-Frank makes it illegal to take wild risks with other peoples money and for bankers to expect a taxpayer bailout. Obama is a lawyer and former law professor, so these are matters as to which he is capable of precision. Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal for bankers to take wild risks. Banks inherently take risks with other peoples money so that bit of rhetoric is superfluous.
Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal for a banker to expect a taxpayer bailout. Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal (and could not constitutionally do so) for bankers to lobby for a bailout. We have all seen the success of such lobbying with the Bush and Obama administrations. Both administrations have refused to order an end to the systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) (inaccurately referred to as too big to fail). Both administrations asserted that when the next SDI failed it was likely to cause a global systemic crisis. (It is a matter of when, not if they will fail, or more precisely, when we will admit that they failed.)
(snip)
What Obama missed, and Kroft failed to call him on, is that wild risk by banks are typically frauds. I have explained these matters at length in previous posts, so I will provide the ultra short version here. Honest home lenders do not make liars loans. In particular, honest lenders do not make subprime liars loans. Honest home lenders do not make such loans because they create intense adverse selection and create a negative expected value (in plain English, they will lose money). No government (here or abroad), required any lender or other entity (i.e., Fannie and Freddie) to make or acquire liars loans. In fact, the government repeatedly criticized liars loans. The FBI warned of an epidemic of mortgage fraud in September 2004. The mortgage lending industrys own anti-fraud body (MARI) warned every member of the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) in writing in the 2006 that stated income loans were an open invitation to fraudsters, had a fraud incidence of 90 percent, and deserved the term the industry used behind closed doors to describe them liars loans. Despite these warnings, lenders massively increased the number of liars loans they made. [/div[\]
Obamas factual assertions about the failure to prosecute fraud are unresponsive to the question, false, and logically inconsistent. Note the artful manner in which Obama evaded answering Krofts question. Kroft asks why there are no prosecutions of the Wall Street frauds that drove the crisis. Obama answers that some unethical Wall Street actions were not illegal. Obamas answer implicitly admitted that most Wall Street actions that caused the crisis were criminal. He simply argues that some highly unethical behavior by Wall Street that was not illegal contributed to that crisis. As David Cay Johnston emphasized in his column about Obamas response to Krofts question, Obamas answer is a non-answer. Why has he failed to prosecute any of the criminal conduct by Wall Street that drove the financial crisis? The (alleged) fact that some destructive Wall Street conduct was highly unethical, but not illegal, obviously provides no basis for not prosecuting what Obama concedes was primarily criminal conduct.
Obama claims that the purported legality of Wall Streets (unspecified) least ethical behavior is exactly why we had to change the laws. He then describes the two specific changes in the Dodd-Frank law that he asserts make illegal that least ethical behavior for the first time. Obama claims that Dodd-Frank makes it illegal to take wild risks with other peoples money and for bankers to expect a taxpayer bailout. Obama is a lawyer and former law professor, so these are matters as to which he is capable of precision. Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal for bankers to take wild risks. Banks inherently take risks with other peoples money so that bit of rhetoric is superfluous.
Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal for a banker to expect a taxpayer bailout. Dodd-Frank does not make it illegal (and could not constitutionally do so) for bankers to lobby for a bailout. We have all seen the success of such lobbying with the Bush and Obama administrations. Both administrations have refused to order an end to the systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) (inaccurately referred to as too big to fail). Both administrations asserted that when the next SDI failed it was likely to cause a global systemic crisis. (It is a matter of when, not if they will fail, or more precisely, when we will admit that they failed.)
(snip)
What Obama missed, and Kroft failed to call him on, is that wild risk by banks are typically frauds. I have explained these matters at length in previous posts, so I will provide the ultra short version here. Honest home lenders do not make liars loans. In particular, honest lenders do not make subprime liars loans. Honest home lenders do not make such loans because they create intense adverse selection and create a negative expected value (in plain English, they will lose money). No government (here or abroad), required any lender or other entity (i.e., Fannie and Freddie) to make or acquire liars loans. In fact, the government repeatedly criticized liars loans. The FBI warned of an epidemic of mortgage fraud in September 2004. The mortgage lending industrys own anti-fraud body (MARI) warned every member of the Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) in writing in the 2006 that stated income loans were an open invitation to fraudsters, had a fraud incidence of 90 percent, and deserved the term the industry used behind closed doors to describe them liars loans. Despite these warnings, lenders massively increased the number of liars loans they made. [/div[\]
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Wall Street Crimes: President Obama is "effectively encouraging future financial fraud" [View all]
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
OP
Maybe if the bankers would become whistleblowers, the Justice Dept would go after them.
Karmadillo
Dec 2011
#6
I acknowledge your persistent and unending personal attacks on DU'ers with a nice big ignore!
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#11
Dodd-Frank does not separate investment from commercial banking as Glass-Steagall did
dflprincess
Dec 2011
#26
Your wikipedia link isn't working. And please read "Blowing a Hole in Dodd-Frank"
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#18
Matt Taibbi - Jackass, Tampon, and Mental Midget - but Rolling Stone pays him
banned from Kos
Dec 2011
#25
The Wall Street bankstars are whining everyday about all their pals who are going to prison.
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#39
I don't remember Obama using the phrase "not illegal", which is cited as a direct quote in the OP.
Nye Bevan
Dec 2011
#53
Do you normally remember every word or phrase President Obama utters?
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#57