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BzaDem

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32. I think you are missing my point.
Sun Feb 26, 2017, 05:50 PM
Feb 2017

When I am talking about moderate voters, I am not talking about moderate in any kind of objective sense. I am talking about moderate in a subjective sense, from the perspective of the voter in question. You can shout to such a voter all you want about how the Democratic party is not that leftist, make comparisons with other countries, etc. But they don't care. They do not want to vote for a candidate that THEY see as too far to the left, regardless of your opinion of their conclusion.

Often their view isnt even coherent. But if they see an incumbent or establishment candidate challenged from their left, that is all the information they need to draw their conclusion and vote for the Republican. (This also works in the other direction, when the right challenges its own. See Republican challenges and subsequent losses in Delaware, Colorado, and Nevada. Or later Republican victories in Colorado and Nevada, where the subsequent establishment candidate won after the primarily electorate learning about what happens when the establishment candidate doesn't win in a swing state.)

If this is attempted on the Democratic side with swing states or right leaning states, our own primary electorate will learn the same lesson (and avoid making the same mistake the next time around). But that would be too late to save several Senate seats, which would likely put out of reach our ability to confirm Supreme Court justices. Wouldn't it be better if we just skipped the learning phase, when the lesson is obvious?

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No. He should run for the Second Congressional District of Indiana. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #1
I could get on that bus Tiggeroshii Feb 2017 #4
I believe he lives in the district and it will no doubt be targeted by the party. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #5
When is that up for re-election ? OnDoutside Feb 2017 #14
Every 2 years, right? :) Hortensis Feb 2017 #17
I'd prefer a sensible response of OnDoutside Feb 2017 #20
That was not meant to be offensive, just a little Hortensis Feb 2017 #23
November of 2018. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #25
Thank you. OnDoutside Feb 2017 #28
My pleasure! My understanding that the current GOP occupant of that seat has ethical issues. hrmjustin Feb 2017 #29
No we do not need a left wing Tea Party nycbos Feb 2017 #2
Yes, we do. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #9
I think you have that backwards. BzaDem Feb 2017 #11
No. In our parents' time, maybe. Now? No. truebluegreen Feb 2017 #13
The American electorate is more conservative than the European one. DanTex Feb 2017 #21
Your characterization of labels doesn't change a simple reality. BzaDem Feb 2017 #30
Just for grins truebluegreen Feb 2017 #31
I think you are missing my point. BzaDem Feb 2017 #32
Maybe reread the question, Bzadem. Mainstream Democrats, Hortensis Feb 2017 #19
nope. rip Todd Youngs face off in 2023. irisblue Feb 2017 #3
He should run for a house seat in 2018. AJT Feb 2017 #6
I agree, then the republican held Senate seat in 2022. nt Blue_true Feb 2017 #33
Governor for sure. Chipper Chat Feb 2017 #7
The fact he went for DNC chair means that he is looking beyond South Bend. OnDoutside Feb 2017 #15
will be interesting to see D_Master81 Feb 2017 #8
I voted yes mvd Feb 2017 #10
Once you use the Tea Party analogy you lost me. Scruffy1 Feb 2017 #12
BoB'ers are the Tea Party of the left. NCTraveler Feb 2017 #16
Yes. Exactly. Thank you! NurseJackie Feb 2017 #22
No he should challenge a Republican crazycatlady Feb 2017 #18
No. Donnelly and Manchin are qualitatively different types of Blue Dogs. Donnelly bullwinkle428 Feb 2017 #24
That is a big difference that we need to have more of a discussion on.... vi5 Feb 2017 #26
"Tea party of the left" LOL, Nope and nope. bettyellen Feb 2017 #27
Yes! ISUGRADIA Feb 2017 #34
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