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antigone382

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38. Then why the need to insult other peoples' comprehension and understanding of science?
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 03:19 PM
Jun 2012

Insults, I might add, which are based on distortions or baseless extrapolations of what they actually said? You can get people to ponder things without smugly asserting your own intellectual superiority over them...particularly when such assertions are based on radical distortions of what they actually said.

Newsflash: a lot of people are aware that the universe is a big place that makes humanity seem insignificant by comparison. You aren't revealing anything particularly deep or new to most of us. A lot of those same people, for reasons which have nothing to do with ignorance of science, would also like to avoid seeing much of humanity needlessly suffer if it can be avoided.

And just so you're aware of my scientific credentials: you want to talk about the three different lines of scientific inquiry that point to the universe being 14.6 billion years old? Sure, I can talk to you about that. You want to talk about the process by which carbon, as well as the other elements necessary for life as we understand it, was born out of generations of dying stars, setting the stage for the possibility of life on Earth and other planets? I can talk about that. You want to talk about the incredible astronomical, chemical, and biological processes through which life came to be, resulting for a little while in a species called the human being? I can talk about that.

You want to talk about our greater and greater understanding of the capacity for sentience and complex language among other species on this planet (much less other planets), the negative health impacts of the agricultural revolution on peasants, or the ways in which studies of mitochondrial DNA can be used to trace human migrations, and how those studies dovetail perfectly with analyses of language families as well as physical characteristics? I can talk about that.

Oh yeah, and that whole Eastern religions thing: I'll even discuss with you the origins and cosmology of Buddhism in pre-Asoka India, how it evolved into the Theravada and Mahayana schools as it spread throughout Asia and surrounding areas--and appears to have had significant influence even on ancient Greek philosophy--not to mention the ways in which it is and isn't compatible with a modern understanding of physics at both the astronomic and subatomic level (and for good measure, let's throw in the ways in which astrophysics and nanophysics are stepping closer and closer to being understood in a single, comprehensive, unified field theory). I can gladly talk about any of these things and link you to peer-reviewed studies and other authoritative sources discussing them in depth.

What I won't do is sit back and watch someone smugly deride the rest of us unworthy hoi polloi for our "lack of comprehension" and our ignorance of science for something that is a *subjective judgment* in the first place--and then pretend they aren't insulting people, but are just here to benevolently spread knowledge, if only the rest of us could appreciate it. Congratulations on being enlightened enough to not give a fuck about the fate of human beings--not the human *race* or the human *species,* but the individual human beings: fathers, mothers, and children, who will suffer and die at the individual level if drastic steps are not taken--while posting comfortably on your computer. I'm glad you can be so philosophical about it. But here's a reality check: I know at least as much about science as you, am less smug about it, and have come to a different conclusion. I hope that doesn't disrupt your run-of-the-mill cosmology, but opinions are like assholes, and as I'm sure many are by this point abundantly aware, the internet is full of both.

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Mr. Orr overstates our importance, IMHO Cary Jun 2012 #1
Orr was talking about our culture, not the human species greyl Jun 2012 #2
I would take you more seriously if you knew what I was referring to when I said homo sapiens sapiens Cary Jun 2012 #7
Homo sapiens sapiens are "modern humans." greyl Jul 2012 #58
Which you claim, incorrectly, to have been around for a few million years. Cary Jul 2012 #59
Humans have been around a few million years. greyl Jul 2012 #60
I specified homo sapiens sapiens Cary Jul 2012 #61
And yes my specification mattered as that was the whole point of my comment Cary Jul 2012 #62
Unimportant in one sense - mortal, brief, forgotten Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #3
Wondefully said. Inkfreak Jun 2012 #4
Perhaps Cary Jun 2012 #8
absolutely no antipathy for science here Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #10
Einstein was great and that's an understatement. Cary Jun 2012 #12
again.. no need to correct me "you're way behind" Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #14
Well you are way behind. Cary Jun 2012 #16
good grief Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #17
I know a little aboit science. Cary Jun 2012 #18
OK then.. by the same deductive reasoning, I know enough about you Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #19
Your science phobia ought to be easy enough to dispel. Cary Jun 2012 #20
It has nothing to do with science-phobia. antigone382 Jun 2012 #23
Unilke you I regard evolution as science. Cary Jun 2012 #25
Your response has nothing to do with what I posted. antigone382 Jun 2012 #32
thank you! Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #33
please, stop. I beg you. Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #28
Good grief and please please right back to you. Cary Jun 2012 #30
A discussion board is an excellent opportunity to improve the quality of communication skills. Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #35
I am a trial lawyer Voice for Peace Cary Jun 2012 #36
I told you that I thought you expressed yourself well, which you dismissed I think as an Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #37
Pfeh Cary Jun 2012 #40
honestly I wonder if you considered a word I wrote. Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #45
OK... greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #22
? Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #26
All funning aside, there is much to Orr's wisdom Cary Jun 2012 #29
I'm definitely not disputing that. Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #31
I am not actually saying we are insignificant Cary Jun 2012 #34
Then why the need to insult other peoples' comprehension and understanding of science? antigone382 Jun 2012 #38
Get angry about it. Cary Jun 2012 #41
I'm not the one who doesn't know what I'm talking about. antigone382 Jun 2012 #44
How do you expect me to respond to your whiny rant when I didn't read it? Cary Jun 2012 #46
Cling to that smugness as tightly as you can. antigone382 Jun 2012 #47
Oh good! Cary Jun 2012 #50
excellent post Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #49
Thanks! antigone382 Jun 2012 #51
you were also civil Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #53
For all there is to know and understand about the universe, our world, and ourselves FrodosPet Jun 2012 #39
If that. Cary Jun 2012 #42
What's wrong with the idea of being "a minute little experiment?" Cary Jun 2012 #6
there's a whole universe inside of us as well Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #9
I appreciate your intent behind your lecture Cary Jun 2012 #11
ok, no problem Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #13
Some will, some won't, so what? Cary Jun 2012 #15
It's a matter of seeing very well who we are... drokhole Jun 2012 #55
I think he was referring to the planet as humanity. lunatica Jun 2012 #24
I don't see any good reason to argue about what he meant. Cary Jun 2012 #43
Agreed. DeSwiss Jun 2012 #5
I scratch my head LaurenG Jun 2012 #21
+1 Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Jun 2012 #48
Yeah that sounds right! LaurenG Jun 2012 #52
it seems like success is seen as having a lot of money by too many JI7 Jun 2012 #54
Wonderful drokhole Jun 2012 #56
thanks very much, and these are great quotes. Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #57
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