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BainsBane

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7. what did he mean when he said it in the 1960s?
Mon Feb 27, 2017, 08:35 PM
Feb 2017

The period he now claims he wants to return the party to? The fact is he has always been critical of the party, even as it was enormously successful electorally.

Progressivism has lost all meaning. We see endless threads with no discussion of issues. We see declarations of the demise of the party because the guy who won the election for DNC brings a background fighting for labor rights and against voter disenfranchisement, but is despised for not backing the right person in the primary.

It's become clear to me that power plays about control over the party have been falsely and cynically cast as about "corporate control" vs. The people. It's time for people to start thinking for themselves, quit relying on slogans and labels and identify what it is they actually care about. If the only goal is advancing one politician's interests or another's, then be honest about it. Don't pretend it's an ideological battle when it is about power plays where opponents are cast as ideological foes--not because of their actual positions but because people have decided to use political patronage* as a proxy for ideology. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/sanders-revolution-resists-dnc-loss-235404 It isn't, and nothing shows that more clearly than what was done to Jaime Harrison (along with the litany of conservative positions, Like pro-life, pro-Assad, and anti-Iran peace deal, pro-gun and anti-immigration reform justified because of those patronage networks). It's also demonstrated by the fact that none of Perez' critics can point to any problems with him other than he was backed by "the establishment" (in actuality, President Obama) rather than Sanders.

I will no longer accept empty labels. It is incumbent on those who claim they want to reform the party to be specific about policies and principles they want to promote. The stakes are to great to fail to do so. Politicians are not ideologies. Using them as proxies for it is a false construct that solves nothing. Rather, it promotes factionalism for its own sake. If people would instead articulate key ideas--policies and reforms--they want to see the party champion, they will likely find a great deal of common ground.

I happen to love Maxine Waters, but I am not going to declare anyone who doesn't share my personal view of her as the "DLC" or a "corporatist" or "establishment." Those who have decided to identify themselves according to a settled primary need to move beyond the assumption that doing so suffices for ideology or principle. It does not.

(*Note that by patronage I'm referring to political networks related to support for a given politician rather than political spoils.)

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The Democratic Party will be both still_one Feb 2017 #1
Hopefully it will be more progressive in progressive states and more moderate in moderate states. DanTex Feb 2017 #2
This! Docreed2003 Feb 2017 #39
Either way it will embrace knowledge, science, critical thinking & common sense more than the Repubs LonePirate Feb 2017 #3
I don't see how it could get any more 'moderate' n/t leftstreet Feb 2017 #4
Well if it doesn't get 100% more progressive then RIP Kimchijeon Feb 2017 #5
100% more progressive?? boston bean Feb 2017 #30
Is the DLC dead? kentuck Feb 2017 #6
what did he mean when he said it in the 1960s? BainsBane Feb 2017 #7
You have a good analysis. It's not democracy if people back a person rather than a set of principles delisen Feb 2017 #46
If Democrats want a democratic majority like we have in California... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #8
Howard Dean was talking something similar on MSNBC... kentuck Feb 2017 #9
I am a boomer... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #11
Father Coughlin-of early "talk radio" notoriety of had a newspaper called Social Justice. delisen Feb 2017 #50
Social justice has been roundly denounced by some self-proclaimed progressives BainsBane Feb 2017 #14
Name the 'progressives' who have denounced 'social justice'... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #23
You're new here BainsBane Feb 2017 #28
We can and do. Rex Feb 2017 #37
That was Hillary. boston bean Feb 2017 #32
Shall we all implement three strikes? BainsBane Feb 2017 #16
I wrote that CA has a Democratic majority... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #20
"normal values" doesn't say any more than Progressive BainsBane Feb 2017 #22
Go look at the polls on the policies that most people want... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #24
california incarceration rate is 14% lower than national average BlueStateLib Feb 2017 #52
Only because they've been able to BainsBane Feb 2017 #56
"The majority of people want what the progressives are offering"? Surely you can direct us.... George II Feb 2017 #58
2018? probably a little more progressive 0rganism Feb 2017 #10
It should be moderate/liberal on specific policy issues... First Speaker Feb 2017 #12
Depends on the voters treestar Feb 2017 #13
Indivisible. Haven't you heard? Cary Feb 2017 #15
Our Revolution worked on a local state Senate race in MN BainsBane Feb 2017 #18
IMO, the entire country will be more progressive next election. Rex Feb 2017 #17
+1, unless Benedict Donald comes out for single payer they'll be destroying the safety net uponit7771 Feb 2017 #19
Seems he does whatever gets him the most ego strokes. nt Rex Feb 2017 #38
Wrong question... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #21
But, our issues need to be spoken loud and clear.. Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #27
Name specific issues some/you feel are not represented by the dem party. boston bean Feb 2017 #33
I wrote that the issues need to be spoken loud and clear... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #35
I need to know specifically what people think is wrong or where the party is lacking. boston bean Feb 2017 #36
Sounds like a great idea! Rex Feb 2017 #42
We just ran on a pretty progressive platform... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #48
What the heck is the problem here? Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #53
Good question... Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #55
Wait a minute dude/dudette... Talk Is Cheap Feb 2017 #57
Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #41
I've been saying we need to take over the party from the ground up since Occupy started. NewDealProgressive Feb 2017 #25
"What did he mean?" surrealAmerican Feb 2017 #26
Yet he keeps saying the same thing BainsBane Feb 2017 #29
IIRC the 2016 platform is ultra progressive crazycatlady Feb 2017 #31
With the rise in hate crimes being committed by Trump fans... Initech Feb 2017 #34
They'll be more progressive than the current clowns who control Congress Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2017 #40
More progressive or more moderate? blue neen Feb 2017 #43
Hear, hear! nt Wounded Bear Feb 2017 #49
More progressive. nt Blue_true Feb 2017 #44
Are you able to define progressive? otherwise I think your question is unanswerable delisen Feb 2017 #45
Yes (nt) MarvinGardens Feb 2017 #47
We won't have a platform as progressive as the 2016 platform for a long time. joshcryer Feb 2017 #51
Dems better have a gigantic tent and make room for both. democratisphere Feb 2017 #54
Surprise! The DLC was disbanded more than six years ago! George II Feb 2017 #59
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