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Igel

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13. That's the claim.
Thu Jun 28, 2012, 04:01 PM
Jun 2012

That's not what happened in the one experiment.

One claim is that by having health care emergency room visits will plummet, reducing costs; the general health of the population will increase and make up in greater productivity what the health care costs.

The reality is that emergency room visits decreased by a trivial amount. The increase in productivity attributed to the new law was trivial. President Obama said that he wouldn't sign it if it increased the deficit by even "one dime", but that was over and above a budget projection that already included a rather large deficit. The idea was that instead of a deficit for one reason we'd simply repurpose the deficit. The consequences of the repurposing were decreed by law: The decrease in costs were stipulated and therefore it was incumbent upon the CBO to use them. In the one experiment, costs actually increased. A lot. The CBO was implicitly critical by saying in detail its assumptions for its projection and that it didn't need to agree with them.

In the experiment it was found that enough people went to physicians to sharply increase the demand for doctors. This was satisfied by hiring doctors from out of state, and still the average length of wait time for an appointment more than tripled.

I figure that the response must be that by 1/1/2014 we triple or quadruple the amount of doctors that complete their 2-year program and their year of residency, plus any fellowships to make them specialists. That's manageable--that gives us 18 months or so for a mere 32 months' worth of training.

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oh ok SunsetDreams Jun 2012 #1
Because the $900 we are already paying will be redirected toward Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #2
I agree. It's only for the horses who won't drink the water after sinkingfeeling Jun 2012 #3
BULLSHIT, THERE'S NO COLLECTION ENFORCEMENT OF THE "TAX" UNDER ACA uponit7771 Jun 2012 #4
B.S. back at you. former9thward Jun 2012 #6
Holy Shit! So THAT'S the new Jobs Program! leftstreet Jun 2012 #9
I do think you have wandered in the wrong place... n/t Inuca Jun 2012 #10
Why because I answered a poster with a fact? former9thward Jun 2012 #12
Taken word for word from the GOP Ways and Means Committee report. sinkingfeeling Jun 2012 #14
Factcheck is using assumptions of their own. former9thward Jun 2012 #15
I heard on faux that someone in the repub party said that won't allow for the money to be given a kennedy Jun 2012 #20
I absolutely agree with Obama on this. We are paying more NOW for uninsured... progressivebydesign Jun 2012 #5
we'll see how it shakes out. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #7
That's the claim. Igel Jun 2012 #13
Impoverished people are NOT getting free healthcare leftstreet Jun 2012 #17
Thank You! SammyWinstonJack Jun 2012 #18
There's no staging any sort of logical debate with the Fox Ministry Of Propaganda, Obama. Initech Jun 2012 #8
A great demonstration of staunch conviction & leadership skills by President Obama! hue Jun 2012 #11
The constantly changing story and positions, and people seem to go right along. Huey P. Long Jun 2012 #16
He didn't change his position. The SCOTUS interpreted the mandate in that way ecstatic Jun 2012 #19
The Obama administration argued before the court that it was a tax. n/t PoliticAverse Jun 2012 #27
Really? So Obama stating a position and the Supreme Court saying something else NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #21
I took it to mean when Obama once opposed the mandate leftstreet Jun 2012 #22
Maybe so. However, just for anyone who is thinking that re: it being a "tax" NYC Liberal Jun 2012 #25
This will played non stop in every swing state. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2012 #23
I view it as a kicking in for partial payment of your med. bills, since you refuse to kick in like Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #24
your point?? DCBob Jun 2012 #26
Okay... DearAbby Jun 2012 #28
What difference does it make what you call it? sadbear Jun 2012 #29
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