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karynnj

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42. I've looked at polling, but the relevant group to poll here consists of the members of Congress

Thu Jun 28, 2012, 05:16 PM

Jun 2012

Look at the Senate. There are not enough Republican seats up to get to 60 Democrats and there is absolutely no chance that even one Republican will vote for that. (In fact, we can not count on every Democrat - as you know.)

I agree that LONG TERM the public could make it a voting issue - but that will not happen this year. Also remember only a third of the Senate is up every year. It takes a long time to change the positions by changing the people.

Here is how I think we get to single payer. The states can get waivers to do what they want and Vermont already wants single payer. Assume that they get this -- and as predicted, their healthcare coverage stays the same or improves and the costs are reduced (or even increased far less than others.) This will lead other states to follow - starting with progressive neighboring states. It is hard to argue against success.

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... House Progressives Will Seek Single-Payer Plan If Mandate Goes Down. [View all] kpete Jun 2012 OP

Conyers and Ellison!!! Again! longship Jun 2012 #1

And sadly, Max Baucus will be right there in the Senate BumRushDaShow Jun 2012 #2

Given that Bernie Sanders says that there were only 10 or so Senators who would vote for it, karynnj Jun 2012 #24

And there's no reason not to try Scootaloo Jun 2012 #26

As if it could pass even with Baucus. You need 60 votes. So please, enough of that. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #31

The Republicans don't need 60 votes for their bills. So please, enough of that. Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #34

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jun 2012 #3

I'd prefer if they said they would seek single payer regardless of the SC's decision. nt chowder66 Jun 2012 #4

^^ This! LeftofObama Jun 2012 #5

tanks! chowder66 Jun 2012 #10

It's about "gnikcuf" time! KansDem Jun 2012 #6

Yes indeed! Plucketeer Jun 2012 #20

k&r a thousand times!!!!! robinlynne Jun 2012 #7

Exercise in futility. DCBob Jun 2012 #8

Ah the Pessimism packaged as Pragmatism wail! Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #36

Spare me the lecture. I'm simply suggesting we focus our effort on something thats doable. DCBob Jun 2012 #40

And every other elected (bought) Democrat will ignore them. MrSlayer Jun 2012 #9

Exactly - one corporate party, two faces. polichick Jun 2012 #17

Um, the REPUBLICANS control the House. Maybe, uh, try bashing them instead. (???) RBInMaine Jun 2012 #30

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2012 #11

I suspected this might happen, because I believed the ACA to be a sort of planned failure. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #12

Can you really see it passing either House? karynnj Jun 2012 #25

Take a look at some polling. A good majority supports Medicare for All Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #37

I've looked at polling, but the relevant group to poll here consists of the members of Congress karynnj Jun 2012 #42

Why seek single payer if Mandate goes down? What a clunky bunch! midnight Jun 2012 #13

If you wish him support, then support him. Calling him clunky is not support. It is unfounded Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #38

Hurray! mckara Jun 2012 #14

Dennis Kucinich was right! TransitJohn Jun 2012 #15

All the more evidence that the mandate will stand, IMO demwing Jun 2012 #16

I doubt that will pass sakabatou Jun 2012 #18

And if it is upheld, they should push for single-payer anyway, state by state under the opt out. SunSeeker Jun 2012 #19

There isnt enough of them. It will never happen. scheming daemons Jun 2012 #21

Are these the same House Progressive who said they wouldn't vote for a bill that didn't include a Puregonzo1188 Jun 2012 #22

K&R MustBeTheBooz Jun 2012 #23

Would Like Single Payer, But This Court Would Knock It Down Too TomCADem Jun 2012 #27

Only Way This Has Legs... KharmaTrain Jun 2012 #28

And it will be an act of futility because a snowball in hell has a better chance of PASSING. However RBInMaine Jun 2012 #29

I'd rather lose doing it right, than win doing it wrong louis c Jun 2012 #32

Lame posturing. Laelth Jun 2012 #33

Agreed, sadly. n/t Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #35

Where was their balls when they needed them? Hubert Flottz Jun 2012 #39

Wait...WHO? will be seeking Single-Payer? Not House *leadership*... nt Romulox Jun 2012 #41